Romney not to get into specifics about LDS beliefs but will

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_The Dude
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Dr. Shades wrote:So Romney flip-flopped on the abortion issue. Big deal! Doesn't everyone pretty much accept the fact that it's practically a requirement in American politics to try to please both sides somehow?

I view flip-flopping on abortion to be pretty much the same as breaking the speed limit: You're technically not supposed to do it, but everyone does it anyway, no one thinks the worse of you for it, and it's almost a necessity.


The specifics of Romney's flip-flop are not so simple. He seems to have invented a conversation with a Harvard stem cell researcher, Douglas Melton, in order to explain away the flip-flop in moral terms rathern than as political expediency. Dr. Melton maintains they did not even talk about killing embryos. Romney made it up.
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people in the church inventing events or meetings, say it's not so .........
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The Dude wrote:
Dr. Shades wrote:So Romney flip-flopped on the abortion issue. Big deal! Doesn't everyone pretty much accept the fact that it's practically a requirement in American politics to try to please both sides somehow?

I view flip-flopping on abortion to be pretty much the same as breaking the speed limit: You're technically not supposed to do it, but everyone does it anyway, no one thinks the worse of you for it, and it's almost a necessity.


The specifics of Romney's flip-flop are not so simple. He seems to have invented a conversation with a Harvard stem cell researcher, Douglas Melton, in order to explain away the flip-flop in moral terms rather than as political expediency. Dr. Melton maintains they did not even talk about killing embryos. Romney made it up.


Then perhaps making up conversations is pretty much an accepted requirement in American Politics. Just don't get me started about how I played baseball with Ty Cobb and Mickey Mantle during a lull in our rush up the hill at Iwo Jima.
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liz3564 wrote:
truth dancer wrote:
They don't have handicap facilities to allow for handicap people in the temple? I was pretty sure they did.


Those with some disabilities will never be allowed to view a sealing... for example those who are unable to have their endowment, or those for whom the ordinance/convenants are not necessary.

In other words, those with mental disabilities.

:-(

~dancer~


Wait---so those with mental disabilities can't hold a temple recommend?

I had never heard this.


I don't know about temple ordinances. Generally the rule of thumb is assessing whether or not the person is capable of understanding the seriousness and responsibility of the ordination involved. My brother has three autistic children, and all three have been baptized at varying ages depending on their level of coherency and understanding. I think Rollo posts on this board...he is generally good for a current copy of the CHI?
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moksha wrote:
The Dude wrote:
Dr. Shades wrote:So Romney flip-flopped on the abortion issue. Big deal! Doesn't everyone pretty much accept the fact that it's practically a requirement in American politics to try to please both sides somehow?

I view flip-flopping on abortion to be pretty much the same as breaking the speed limit: You're technically not supposed to do it, but everyone does it anyway, no one thinks the worse of you for it, and it's almost a necessity.


The specifics of Romney's flip-flop are not so simple. He seems to have invented a conversation with a Harvard stem cell researcher, Douglas Melton, in order to explain away the flip-flop in moral terms rather than as political expediency. Dr. Melton maintains they did not even talk about killing embryos. Romney made it up.


Then perhaps making up conversations is pretty much an accepted requirement in American Politics. Just don't get me started about how I played baseball with Ty Cobb and Mickey Mantle during a lull in our rush up the hill at Iwo Jima.


Paul, is that you? OMG people we've got an honest to goodness, former Prophet, Seer, and Revelator in our midst! Who knew?
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The Dude wrote:
Dr. Shades wrote:So Romney flip-flopped on the abortion issue. Big deal! Doesn't everyone pretty much accept the fact that it's practically a requirement in American politics to try to please both sides somehow?

I view flip-flopping on abortion to be pretty much the same as breaking the speed limit: You're technically not supposed to do it, but everyone does it anyway, no one thinks the worse of you for it, and it's almost a necessity.


The specifics of Romney's flip-flop are not so simple. He seems to have invented a conversation with a Harvard stem cell researcher, Douglas Melton, in order to explain away the flip-flop in moral terms rathern than as political expediency. Dr. Melton maintains they did not even talk about killing embryos. Romney made it up.


Yes, and we also need to remember that we have an account from Prof. Judy Dushku, in which Romney admits that he had to ask the Brethren's permission in order to publicly take up this heretical position.
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No, he is not a Christian, he is a Mormon. His entire view of Christianity was created by Joseph Smith and does not adhere at all to Christianity.


Yes he is a Christian. Mormonism is a subset of Christianity. This is like a Catholic saying Lutherans are not Christian because their view of Christianity was created by Martin Luther. To say it does not adhere to Christianity at all is stupidity. I won't bother to list all the Christian elements Mormonism contains.

I'll never vote for him, ever.


Why? Because he is Mormon or because you do not like his politics? Would you vote for Harry Reid?

Because he is a Mormon who has sworn an oath to the LDS Corporation during his endowments in the Mormon temple. He has sworn to obey the Corporation. He cannot be trusted to not allow the Mormon so-called-Prophet or the Mormon Corporate empire influence him.



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JB - Are FLDS 'Mormons'?
WK: "Joseph Smith asserted that the Book of Mormon peoples were the original inhabitants of the americas"
Will Schryver: "No, he didn’t." 3/19/08
Still waiting for Will to back this up...
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Jason Bourne wrote:I see why you broke when things were not as perfect as you thought they were.


Yes, I are broken, can I now has cheeseburger?
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Who Knows wrote:JB - Are FLDS 'Mormons'?


Here's another question to muse....Are FLDS Christians?

;)
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