Romney not to get into specifics about LDS beliefs but will

[_karl61]

My biggest problem with a Mormon president is what happens if they get a calling in their ward that conflicts with their presidential duties. What happens if one year into his presidency Mitt is called as Elder's Quorum President? When will he have time to pass out home teaching assignments? Or god forbid he is called to Bishop. His entire Sunday would be shot as far as his work in the White House goes.

I could see the white press corps seeking a special pass for the temple to watch Mitt get dunked 50 times on behalf of others.

[_The Nehor]

My biggest problem with a Mormon president is what happens if they get a calling in their ward that conflicts with their presidential duties. What happens if one year into his presidency Mitt is called as Elder's Quorum President? When will he have time to pass out home teaching assignments? Or god forbid he is called to Bishop. His entire Sunday would be shot as far as his work in the White House goes.

I could see the white press corps seeking a special pass for the temple to watch Mitt get dunked 50 times on behalf of others.

If he wins I doubt he'll go into the Temple during his term. Too difficult to get Secret Service in and having him cut off from world for 2 hours is just not gonna happen.

[_beastie]

Actually I don't think there's ever been a president who said as stupid of things as GWB has said.

ps: and I voted for him - twice. I wouldn't do it again if I could go back in time. Not with what we know now.

Seth,

this is the first post you've ever made that caused me to lose respect for you.

In fact, if you were close enough, I'd smack you.

I can understand voting for him ONCE. But TWICE? Isn't there an old saying that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again?????

[_beastie]

That has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard a politician say (and I've heard most of Bush's speeches, so that's really saying something). If this guy gets elected, my family and I may have to move to the Bahamas.



Bye.

Right.

I'm willing to go on record, in order to be later mocked for having done so if events so unfold, and say there is no way Romney is going to be elected president.

I have lived most of my life surrounded by the very people that Romney will need to pull that lever for him - the religious right. I don't care what they tell a pollster, there ain't no way on God's green earth they are going in that booth and pulling the lever for a Mormon. They believe Mormonism is inspired of Satan, for cripe's sake.

I'm not saying they'd vote for a democrat, I'm saying they just won't vote.

[_ozemc]

I'm sorry, I didn't follow you. I'm assuming you meant to write "except" instead of "accept".

Yes except. Sorry.

Christian religions, whether Catholic or Protestant, believe in the the oneness of substance and essence, I.e the Trinity.

In general yes, ORTHODOX Christian religions do. But the doctrine of the trinity is not all that cut and dry and there are lots of flavors out there. The dogma took hundreds and hundreds of years to develop and many before it come along believed in a Godhead much like LDS do. Currently there is a movement among more orthodox Christians called social trinitarianism which again is similar to LDS beliefs.

I don't think this is a Mormon belief; I could be wrong.

Mormons are not creedal trinitarians. This does not mean they are not Christians.

If standard, or orthodox, Christianity defines Jesus Christ as one with the Father and Holy Ghost, and Lucifer as a fallen angel, then saying Jesus and Lucifer are brothers is not Christian.

If standard, or orthodox, Christianity states that God is eternal, and Mormonism says God was once a man, that is not Christian.

If standard, or orthodox, Christianity says that there is one God, and Mormonism says that I can become a God when I die, that is not Christian.

I already said Mormonism is not orthodox Christian. We can debate the problems the items above cause for Mormonism being considered Christian in another thread. in my opinion the differences you list do not disqualify Mormonism from the umbrella of Christianity.

Just because the Mormon church uses Jesus Christ in its name, doesn't make it a Christian church.

Just because the Mormon Church had differences from orthodox Christianity does not exclude it from being Christian.

Yes, it is Christian, the way it defines Christian, but not the way the term is normally defined.

I can say I'm eating a fish called Mahi-Mahi at a restaurant, but it's still dolphin, no matter what I call it.

You can eat salmon and I can eat trout and we are both eating fish

But really I don't care to debate it with you. It is an endless debate. Anyway, in its purest position the LDS Church is THE CHRISTIAN Church and all the rest are apostate pretenders.

No: Elohim having sex with Mary which produced Jesus Christ turns away from the Christian tradition. Bringing the mason ceremony (the great whore) into the church turn's it into what? certainly not a bride. Marrying other men's wives when the man is still alive and the man and wife are not divorced turns away from the Christian tradition.

Exactly.

Let's play a game.

Say, you talk to me and I tell you I'm a Christian, I believe in Jesus as my Lord and Savior, and pretty much tell you I believe in all the stuff you believe in. We talk the same language of faith, sacrifice, and salvation.

However, in talking to me, I tell you that Jesus was a member of an ancient race that came from a planet in the Andromeda galaxy, He was a clone of His Father, Jehovah (If you've seen me, you've seen my father), who is the ruler of His planet, and He was able to due miracles due to His 100,000 year headstart on us in evolution. Further, when we die, we go to live with Him on his planet, which he calls Heaven. He came to show us the way to get there.

Now, would you consider me a Christian in the sense that you mean?

[_Jason Bourne]

No: Elohim having sex with Mary which produced Jesus Christ turns away from the Christian tradition. Bringing the mason ceremony (the great whore) into the church turn's it into what? certainly not a bride. Marrying other men's wives when the man is still alive and the man and wife are not divorced turns away from the Christian tradition.

Call these hertical but still LDS are Christian. There are Christians polygamists today. Martin Luther performed a polygamous marriage. You do no own the term Christian nor do those claiming historical orthodoxy. Call us non orthodox, call us heritical Christians, but never the less Mormons are Christian attempting to say otherwise won't make it so.

[_Jason Bourne]

My biggest problem with a Mormon president is what happens if they get a calling in their ward that conflicts with their presidential duties. What happens if one year into his presidency Mitt is called as Elder's Quorum President? When will he have time to pass out home teaching assignments? Or god forbid he is called to Bishop. His entire Sunday would be shot as far as his work in the White House goes.

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Uhhhhhh....my guess is he won't get any such calling while president.

[_SatanWasSetUp]

No: Elohim having sex with Mary which produced Jesus Christ turns away from the Christian tradition. Bringing the mason ceremony (the great whore) into the church turn's it into what? certainly not a bride. Marrying other men's wives when the man is still alive and the man and wife are not divorced turns away from the Christian tradition.

Call these hertical but still LDS are Christian. There are Christians polygamists today. Martin Luther performed a polygamous marriage. You do no own the term Christian nor do those claiming historical orthodoxy. Call us non orthodox, call us heritical Christians, but never the less Mormons are Christian attempting to say otherwise won't make it so.

I actually agree with this. "Christianity" is an umbrella with lots of different interpretations of Christ beneath it. But I also believe the same rule applies to calling yourself "Mormon." The FLDS and CofC have a right to call themselves "Mormons" if they wish. They can't call themselves the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, as that is a specific name for a specific denomination, but "Mormon" is an umbrella name with all the variations of Mormonism beneath it. If you believe Joseph Smith restored the church and the Book of Mormon is true, you're a Mormon. Warren Jeffs is a Mormon prophet, one of many Mormon prophets.

[_Bond...James Bond]

I'm willing to go on record, in order to be later mocked for having done so if events so unfold, and say there is no way Romney is going to be elected president.

I have lived most of my life surrounded by the very people that Romney will need to pull that lever for him - the religious right. I don't care what they tell a pollster, there ain't no way on God's green earth they are going in that booth and pulling the lever for a Mormon. They believe Mormonism is inspired of Satan, for cripe's sake.

I'm not saying they'd vote for a democrat, I'm saying they just won't vote.

I second that. Living in the Bible Beltway and having a family of totally committed Republicans, I really doubt they'd vote for Romney. And the first thing (maybe second thing...him being from Massachusetts [where a Republican is probably a bit more liberal than the Republicans down on the farm] doesn't really help down here) you'd hear them say (along with anyone else who is willing to speak candidly) is that he's a Mormon. Now if it's ok to vote for someone cause they're a Christian (um...Bush?) isn't it alright to not vote for someone cause they're seen as not Christian? Isn't not voting for someone because of the religion issue the flip side of the same coin of voting for someone for being religious?

[_Jason Bourne]

That has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard a politician say (and I've heard most of Bush's speeches, so that's really saying something). If this guy gets elected, my family and I may have to move to the Bahamas.



Bye.

Right.

I'm willing to go on record, in order to be later mocked for having done so if events so unfold, and say there is no way Romney is going to be elected president.

I have lived most of my life surrounded by the very people that Romney will need to pull that lever for him - the religious right. I don't care what they tell a pollster, there ain't no way on God's green earth they are going in that booth and pulling the lever for a Mormon. They believe Mormonism is inspired of Satan, for cripe's sake.

I'm not saying they'd vote for a democrat, I'm saying they just won't vote.

If they have another better choice yea I agree. I think this is mainly why Huckabee is taking a jump. He is baptist. But already we see James Dobson leaning towards a vile Mormon over a a Rudy. We see many other EV leaders as well doing the same. We sse a web page called Evangelicals for Mitt. Last night Falwell's preacher son was on Fox and essentially said he would support a Mormon if the Mormon more fit the issues that were important to him. I know many EVs and they would support Mitt over Rudy and surely over any other democrat running now.

However, I think he will be hard pressed to be nominated. If he won Iowa and NH then on to the Carolina's maybe. But Huckabee will probably win Iowa, though I think Mitt will still win NH. But then Rudy will surge in other states.

It is in interesting race among the republicans.