Women in business & politcs

[_Imwashingmypirate]

What, she agrees that women should never be able to hold the priesthood, that women's primary role in life is to bear children, and that education and career success ought to be secondary concerns? Is this what you are suggesting that she "agrees with"?

Agrees that women do not hold the Priesthood at this time, that women's primary role in life is to become perfect to return to live with God, and that worldly concerns of all sorts are to fall by the wayside if needed......

Yes.

So are males already perfect??

[_The Nehor]

What, she agrees that women should never be able to hold the priesthood, that women's primary role in life is to bear children, and that education and career success ought to be secondary concerns? Is this what you are suggesting that she "agrees with"?

Agrees that women do not hold the Priesthood at this time, that women's primary role in life is to become perfect to return to live with God, and that worldly concerns of all sorts are to fall by the wayside if needed......

Yes.

So are males already perfect??

No, they fall under accepting those same conditions.

[_Imwashingmypirate]

I was being sarcastic!

[_Jason Bourne]

No success outside the home can compensate for failure of the family unit. What is failure, according to LDS leaders? Failure to raise sons who serve honorable missions; failure to raise daughters who marry in the temple; failure to keep a spotless house, present children who are spotless inside and out, and sons who wear spotless perfectly pressed white shirts to church. Failure is sons who join the military instead of serve missions. Failure is girls who embarrass their families by getting caught having sex outside of marriage. The biggest failure of a LDS woman is to be depressed.

Hmmm....I must have failed cause I have a son who is a Marine and a daughter who just got married after living with her boyfriend (also an LDS kid) AND I have a rebel daughter while married in the temple seems more interested in a career right now then kids. Actually, there is a part of me that feels like a failure sometimes. But I did all that we were told would help raise kids to do all the typical LDS things and damn, they just picked differently. I still have one youngin left. Maybe she will toe the line.

There are few if any prominent LDS women, heads of state, heads of business, or heads of anything other than Relief Society and Primary. There may be LDS women who are heads of state, corporate leaders, etc, but they don't broadcast their LDS membership; to do so would be to admit that they are failures at being LDS women. LDS women are mothers, behind the scenes, not leaders, out in the spotlights. The spotlights are for LDS men, and they don't like to share... ever.

Well on a local level one woman in my ward owns here own business, another is the controller of her a family business that is substantial. Another has owned he own business and is now a high power executive in a company in town, but I do not know any that one might readily recognize on a who's who list.

Why is this so? Because our women have allowed it. Those who spoke out against it were summarily excommunicated. Hopefully that will be buried along with the present crop of leaders, as the next generation of women takes the reins

Can you tell me of women ex'd for speaking out about being executives or politicians?

[_Jason Bourne]

Wasn't there a women senator from Florida maybe ten or fifteen years ago that was LDS?

[_harmony]

Hmmm....I must have failed cause I have a son who is a Marine and a daughter who just got married after living with her boyfriend (also an LDS kid) AND I have a rebel daughter while married in the temple seems more interested in a career right now then kids. Actually, there is a part of me that feels like a failure sometimes. But I did all that we were told would help raise kids to do all the typical LDS things and damn, they just picked differently. I still have one youngin left. Maybe she will toe the line.

I failed too, thank God.

Well on a local level one woman in my ward owns here own business, another is the controller of her a family business that is substantial. Another has owned he own business and is now a high power executive in a company in town, but I do not know any that one might readily recognize on a who's who list.

Neither do I, more's the pity.

Can you tell me of women ex'd for speaking out about being executives or politicians?

Certainly. Ex'ed or disfellowshipped for speaking out against the Brethren on women's issues: Maxine Hanks, Lavina Fielding Anderson, Lynne Kanavel Whitesides, Sonja Johnson.

Did you think the women in the church couldn't see what was happening? Didn't know what happened to women who made waves?

[_Bond...James Bond]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_La ... oliticians

Paula Hawkins?


PS: Sheri Dew is the only woman listed under business officials.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_La ... s#Business

[_moksha]

It does if you intend to remain a committed, TBM LDS. Doing so would entail you having to submit to the will of your priesthood-holding DH, and likewise falling into lockstep with the Brethren 1950s-esque dictates vis-a-vis gender roles.

You are painting too bleak of picture. What the Brethren have furnished their opinion about and what an LDS woman chooses to do with her own life can be two entirely separate things. Old opinions formed from a previous era, are not binding on her choices or abilities and she can still remain an LDS member in good standing.

[_truth dancer]

Yes, that is what faithful women in the church believe. Any woman who carried the Holy Ghost with her loves this fact, and embraces it.

Gaz, do you have any idea how really sick this sounds?

We only take two things out of this world with us into the next one. Our name and our posterity.

What?

We take our names? Where did you get this from? Which name? The one on our Social Security card?

We take our posterity with us? Ummm not if they don't go to the same "kingdom."

Assuming there is an after life and it is like the LDS version, what about your memory? The covenants? Your knowledge? Your experience? All those things that will help you be a God/Goddess?

A righteous woman who is able to surround herself with her righteous posterity, who look to her as the teacher of their mortal existance, will find herself exalted and worshipped in the world to come.

First, what is it about some LDS folks who want to be worshipped. Seriously, this never worked for me; it actually made feel sick. In fact I can't think of anything more arrogant and prideful.

What about righteous women who can't have children, or whose children are not "righteous" in the LDS sense. And what of women who can't teach their children? Gaz... this line of thought is just really icky. :-)

Women should take pleasure in their inante ability to nurture and care for their fellow children of God,

There are plenty of women for whom this ability is not so innate. And, are you suggesting men can't be nurturing and caring?

Did it ever occur to you that women can do other things instead of, or in addition to raising children? Are all the nuns who give their entire life to helping the needy unrighteous because they chose a life other than bringing more children into the world? How about women who devote their lives to working in the medical field, sacrificing having a family of their own so they might help humankind? What about women who want to work in social services? Who want to help heal the world through governmental changes?

This nonsense that women should do nothing but raise children, and be thrilled to do so is so disgustingly arrogant and condescending coming from a man.

Really Gaz.... do you have any idea how this comes across?

and find their work and glory in bringing to pass the immortality and eternal life of the same.

Again, the "glory" thing. (sigh)

You speak as if women should go along with the fifties lifestyle (which is actually quite an abberation in the history of humankind), so they can be worshipped and have glory.

What ever happened to women wanting to share their gifts, talents, energy, and joy with the world in all sorts of ways that may benefit humanity and our world?

~dancer~

[_Roger Morrison]

Hi TD. Take a deep breath, and assume your fav Yoga position, LOL! What's that old saw, something like, "...open yer mouth and remove all doubt about yer sanity/knowledge/understanding, etc..." Ya gotta know, Gaz is about gasing...

A nice guy, who'd probably help any one at the drop of a hat. BUT, he has been conditioned to repond to things Mormon with little, if any, consideration given to the obvious exceptions to the simplistic rules/concepts he holds as divine truth. Watching his reaction to the obvious, and glaring exceptions-to-the-rules he expounds, while discouraging honest exchange of thoughts, it does reveal his state... He's just not ready to change from gas to solid.

Ya know wad i'm sayin'? Enjoy yer day. Yer Great! Roger :-)