Catch this logic: Juliann OWNS MAD. But she wanted to shut it down.
She never really wanted to shut it down, even though she said she did. But yes, she has made it clear that that is her forum.
But some higher up than the OWNER decided to keep it up despite her objetions.
According to Juliann, that is. If you have problems with the logic, then your problem is with her. I suggest she shut it down like she said she wanted to. But she won't, because then where would that leave her? This is why I said they keep it up for selfish reasons. They have to know it is counterproductive, but ultimately are doing it for themselves. The only people who consistently yap in TBM mode are people who don't need any testimony support to begin with. So why are they thre? The rest of them who are struggling rarely benefit from the forum. If they do, it is because they pop in on one discussion, find an apologetic answer to one particular issue that concerned them, and then are never heard from again. Those that linger at MAD for years do so because they are constantly waiting for a miraculous apologetic campaign to come forth that will reasonably answer all their concerns.
I mean, if it is going to happen, the internet forums are where they will take place, right? It isn't like you're going to get it from LDS leaders speaking at conference.
So now she it belongs to her, but she can't quit even though she wants to because. . . . why?
Exactly my point. Once upon a time Juliann said she voted to shut it down. But that was when it was owned by FAIR. It was on the FAIR website so she had to have their approval. They denied her that she said. But later FAIR divorced itself from the forum, so she should have been able to do with it whatever she wanted without approval from the other FAIR directors.
So why is it still up? Did Juliann change her mind, or did she never really mean what she said to begin with?
Your remarks about Peterson and Bokovoy are dripping with envy.
They are drippiing with reality. I was never one to rely on the mods to save me from embarrassing posts, so your psychoanalysis is just rhetoric. Dan depends on this. He expects it, and above all, he requires it.
You know, if you worked hard, produced sterling results, earned the respect of your non-LDS peers, you could enjoy their elevated status, too.
ROFL!!
And you think Dan and David have an entourage of moderator support because their "non-LDS peers" respect their "sterling results"? Exactly which planet are you posting from today? What results?
What "sterling" apologetic has Dan Petsron produced in say, the past five years? Ten years? If and when he does produce something worth debating, he'll refuse to debate and then give us a longwinded excuse about how his agenda won't allow it. OR he'll say he doesn't like discussion forums. Whichever excuse he happens to fancy at the time.
Dan refuses to debate anything of substance, and he has essentially admitted this. He picks only the battles he knows he can win - very few - which means he never deals with critics who can mop the floors with him. Ever. He wrote off Brent Metcalfe many years ago, yet Brent is apparently well respected at MAD. So why won't Dan debate him? Oh yea, because Dan chose to defer to his partner in crime, John Gee, on all things Book of Abraham.
Dan shows up at MAD for the same reasons Sly and Arnold made sporadic Hard Rock café appearances. They don't go there to do anything productive. It is just show. Dan provides good traffic for MAD and receives plenty of ego massage in the process. It is hilarious how he and Hamblin are constantly starting up threads that advertise their recent academic successes, as if to say, "don't forget we're celebrities here!!" They are relatively unknown in the academic community as it is. Their true fame is due to their various internet appearances on discussion forums, where they are given a venue to post in God mode.
Dan knows he can say whatever he wants because he is above reproach. He was promised this when Juliann managed to lure him away from ZLMB. That was part of the bargain. That is why he hangs out there. And that is why ZLMB died. Dan knows this. It is an ego trip for the whole lot of them. With the mods tinkering with virtually every thread Dan is in, and reprimanding virtually any poster who dares stand up to his "arguments," it makes his arguments appear invincible, which in turn, serves the extended purpose of giving hope to fence straddlers out there.
In reality, the best debates that have ever taken place on the web, are found in the ZLMB archives, where apologist and critic were both given an even playing field. But the apologists were getting creamed, and folks like Juliann knew it. So they set up their own environment where they could control the tempo, the level of support, and most importantly, the outcomes.