Here Comes Santa Claus parody FARMS DCP version

[_Some Schmo]

Have you considered lawn mower repair?

That would depend on whether it was a Christian lawn mower, or a Mormon lawn mower. Mormon lawn mowers need fixing. Christian lawn mowers are fixed by grace. You only have to believe they are fixed - and they are.

Wow... you don't think Mormons are Christians either? Interesting.

[_richardMdBorn]

But I don't have the gumption to write that the murder of over 100 people is an alleged massacre so I'm not up to DCP standards.

He didn't say "alleged", he said "so-called".

I think his choice of words was poor, but I don't recall Dr. Peterson ever denying that hundreds of people were murdered in that incident.

My bad. But why would Dan dispute using the term massacre with regard to what happened at Mountain Meadows?

[_asbestosman]

My bad. But why would Dan dispute using the term massacre with regard to what happened at Mountain Meadows?

I'm not sure he was disputing the term. I thought he said that he merely meant "as it is called". That's why I say his choice of words was poor. In idiomatice English, "so-called" means one disputes the the term. Perhaps he does dispute the label, but I have never seen him dispute the fact that it was the murder of a group of people.

[_dartagnan]

1) How many Muslims do you actually know, and associate with?

I never bothered to count. Why?

2) Which religion is responsible for more bloodshed on this planet - Islam, or Christianity?

Islam, hands down. Why do you ask?

[_dartagnan]

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[_Ray A]

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Must have by-passed this Kev. Where is your evidence that Islam is worse than Christianity, as far as crimes against humanity are concerned? What is your measure? The Crusades? The Inquisition? The Black Death, where Christian leaders said it was the "will of God", where 2/3rds of the population of Europe died?

I'm just curious to know how you "measure" this.

[_mledbetter]

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Must have by-passed this Kev. Where is your evidence that Islam is worse than Christianity, as far as crimes against humanity are concerned? What is your measure? The Crusades? The Inquisition? The Black Death, where Christian leaders said it was the "will of God", where 2/3rds of the population of Europe died?

I'm just curious to know how you "measure" this.

People always bring up the crusades, but completely ignore the path of Christian and Jewish bodies that lead all the way from Mecca to Jerusalem in less than a decade after the founding of Islam. Such a lovely religion founded in death and blood. Sure Christianity had it's problems when it became a state religion under the Roman empire, but it certainly wasn't founded on the premise of 'convert, live the law, or die'. Oh, let's not forget the favorite Muslim practice of invading a territory, slaughtering the men, and running off with the women and children so that they could raise another generation of Muslims to return and fight you again, with your own people. Take a look at the Battle of Kosovo in 1389. Lovely story. Now you'll understand why the Serbs don't like the fact that America is helping the Muslims take their sacred land from them again.

[_dartagnan]

I just caught this, but I'll respond in the ISlam thread where it belongs.

[_guy sajer]

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Must have by-passed this Kev. Where is your evidence that Islam is worse than Christianity, as far as crimes against humanity are concerned? What is your measure? The Crusades? The Inquisition? The Black Death, where Christian leaders said it was the "will of God", where 2/3rds of the population of Europe died?

I'm just curious to know how you "measure" this.

This is a bit of a silly debate. It's like debating who was worse, Hitler or Stalin? OK, so one religion has the blood of 100,000,000 on its hands and the other has the blood of 175,000,000 on its hands, or whatever the real figures are. Both have killed, tortured, oppressed, etc. millions upon millions over the millenia.

Islamic extremism represents the biggest threat to world peace today IMHO. This may change one day. There's no reason to believe that Christian fundies have any more respect for civil liberties, freedoms, or human dignity than Muslim fundies, despite the liberal traditions of the countries in which they are predominantly found, they just happen to be, thankfully, restained by the rule of law for the present. The dominionist movement is the US, for example, is downright scary. Though a fringe movement for the moment, its aims are decidely ill-liberal. Fringe today, mainstream tomorrow, perhaps? I do not put it outside the realm of the possible at some point down the road.

[_dartagnan]

Islamic extremism represents the biggest threat to world peace today IMHO.

I hear the bigot-baiters mumbling already. But you are obviously correct.

There's no reason to believe that Christian fundies have any more respect for civil liberties, freedoms, or human dignity than Muslim fundies, despite the liberal traditions of the countries in which they are predominantly found, they just happen to be, thankfully, restained by the rule of law for the present.

I disagree. To say Evangelical fundamentalists would just as likely blow themselves up and kill everyone who left Christianity, is just a wild assertion based in nothing concrete. Christianity has never, even during the dark ages, implemented such a rule.

And after all, unlike Muslims, Christians do claim to be followers of Jesus, which should count for something I think. Jesus never condoned murdering anyone. Most Christians accept this without exception. Muhammad murdered his enemies and condeoned the rapes of their wives and he was damn proud of it. All religions are not equal my friend. Some really are more tolerant and intolerant than others.