BIC children who stray.

[_Inconceivable]

Charity, you are certainly the pharisitic poster child of Mormonism. Truly amazing. You represent what I find most troubling about Mormonism.

You remind me each and every post why I'm so deeply disaffected from this corruption of goodness called Mormonism.

Please, keep showing everyone the way out.

[_Pokatator]

Charity, I don't care to comment on your complete last post, but I will say this about this part:

Maxrep wrote: How does the church regard a BIC child who chooses to adopt a different belief system?

Charity's comment: As a sheep who has strayed. If the parents remain faithful, the child will return eventually.

This comment has exceeded the stupidity of the last post that everyone has commented on.

[_Roger Morrison]

Redundant?? Probably, but i copied the paste below when i first read it as being so screwed-up that it needed comment. WOW! So many others of the same mind! Good to be in such enlightened company... So, should i drop it?? Nah:

Guilt is a natural consequence of having a well-developed sense of responsibility. It is what makes society better. Guilt is only a problem when it is over done.

Oops, this isn't the one i thought it was. Anyway...

"Guilt is a natural consequence of" ... a distorted sense of understanding human response to circumstances that the "guilty" party is not in full awareness of their action's consequence. Or, for some irrational reason they choose stupidly, and are subject to the results of so doing.

They are then assaulted by ignorance; their own, and that of other mis/uninformed persons. Feeling their mistake is contrary to some edicted sense of morality--right or wrong--they tend to suffer to meet the satisfactions of others and/or to placate their own 'need' to agonize. Such retribution is no way, no where, advocated by Jesus. It is simply another case of Corrupted-christianity at work creating havoc in people's lives.

"Guilt" does NOT make "...society better." The term "guilt" and all that it implies is a carry-over from the dark-ages. For too long it has been an instrument of unenlightened administrators in all domains.

Understanding, awareness and thoughtful application of true principles is the ONLY thing that makes society, and the individual, better. Get with IT! Roger

[_guy sajer]

charity wrote:

Let's be clear. It isn't sin that precedes the loss of testimony. The loss of testimony precedes sin. The man who has a testimony of celestial marriage isn't gonig to cheat on his wife. He loses the testimony, he cheats.


This quote is breathtaking in its simple-mindedness. You can't possibly mean, as your quote implies, that true believing members are not capable of, and never commit, adultery or that apostacy necessarily leads to adultery? By the way, women cheat on their husbands too. It's been known to happen.

No, good members sometimes committ sin. But they don't just suddenly walk past a bed, fall on it with a strange woman and committ adultery. There are steps leading up to any serious sin, and one of those is their testimony starts to fail.

Charity, I harbored some hope that you would disavow this obviously ridiculous statement. But instead, you embrace it.

There comes a time when attempt at rational discussion is fruitless, and one must call a spade a spade.

Charity, you are a simpleton.

For someone who likes to flout her advanced degree in psychology, you possess absolutely ZERO insight into the human pysche, human behavior, or the human experience.

By God but you're clueless.

[_TAK]

Charity..As a sheep who has strayed. If the parents remain faithful, the child will return eventually.

A more cruel thing could not be spoken.. So my parents were not faithful if I and my brother never return to the church - (and that's never going to happen) .. they were not faithful ?? B***s***..

Its little wonder why the pressure never ends..

[_truth dancer]

Righteousness is measured by how well you are living up to the truth you have. LDS are required to live to a higher standard in order to be "righteous " because they have more truth. But in general, yes, those with a testimony are more righteous, less sinful than the average. And it doesn't take much to beat the "average." But that is a topic deserving of its own thread.

And people wonder why some members no longer embrace Mormonism; why so many people find Mormonism offensive and obnoxious.

(sigh)

~dancer~


For Charity... just to clarify for you, my comment speaks to the over-the-top arrogance and eliticism you so exemplify. For some of us here, this sort of nonsense never seemed so holy.

[_Blixa]

Charity..As a sheep who has strayed. If the parents remain faithful, the child will return eventually.

A more cruel thing could not be spoken.. So my parents were not faithful if I and my brother never return to the church - (and that's never going to happen) .. they were not faithful ?? B***s***..

Its little wonder why the pressure never ends..

I have to say I agree: this notion is cruel, heartless and utterly lacking in human decency. It's heartbreaking to think that there are human beings laboring under such horrifying man-made ideas of never-ending guilt and sacrifice.

[_guy sajer]

Charity..As a sheep who has strayed. If the parents remain faithful, the child will return eventually.

A more cruel thing could not be spoken.. So my parents were not faithful if I and my brother never return to the church - (and that's never going to happen) .. they were not faithful ?? B***s***..

Its little wonder why the pressure never ends..

One would have to look far and wide to find more faithful believers in Mormonism than my parents. They've devoted their entire 80+ years to this religion giving it their heart and soul. It is and always has been their life.

I, on the other hand, ain't ever going back. Osama Bid Laden will renounce Islam before I enter back into the Mormon fold.

It annoys me that some know-nothing wanna-be apologist sitting in front of a computer screen with apparently no real world insight feels competent to make blanket insinuations about the faithfulness of decent, honest, believing, and devoted persons such as my parents.

And some weeks back Charity was asserting that we're the arrogant ones?

Wow, I mean, just Wow!

[_Inconceivable]

Charity blathered:
But in general, yes, those with a testimony are more righteous, less sinful than the average. And it doesn't take much to beat the "average."

Satan himself has a surety that Jesus is the Christ and the Son of God (I mean, hell. They're brothers and he knows who his dad is).

Compared to his, your feeble testimony is nothing.

And yes. I know what you thought you tried to convey. But only now you are scrambling to rephrase (or assasinate my character again).

The fact of the matter is that as old and seasoned as you are, your mind has been corrupted with platitudes (mormonspeak) long ago - words and phrases that have lost their meaning over time.

Your self absorbed Zoramite like false sense of election is dizzying.

Why don't you come down from the Rameumtom before you really say something dumber..er.

[Guest]

In a way - you can't blame Charity - her thought process is the norm in the Church. It rewards the suspension of critical thinking and when you question something, then there is something wrong; perhaps there is some sin involved. When you walk into a Church building you need to give up the critical thought process. You believe Jesus rose from the dead. You believe he spit in some dirt, created paste, put it on the eyes of a blind man and who then received his sight. You believe Jesus will return - coming out of the sky. Then you put the Mormon belief on top of that with the stories of Joseph Smith, and singing/chanting yourself into a higer state of consciousness and you are really out in left field. That's kind of why Gee gets people like Charity to accept his work and theories. To accept Gee you need to be way out in left field - singing, chanting with your own little group while others look over at them in disbelief.