Romney, anti-Mormon sentiment and political games.

[_ozemc]

for what it's worth, I voted for Alan Keys in the last two elections, and probably will again, at least while I can, in the primaries. in my opinion, he is the smartest, most articulate, experienced candidate for President out there. Why don't the media say anything about the fact that the Republicans are running a black candidate?

For the same reason that nobody talked about Orrin Hatch's Mormonism when he ran. He never rose above 1% or so, so was never considered a serious candidate.

I know, it's sad, because he truly is a remarkable thinker.

Huh? Orrin Hatch is a remarkable thinker?

You're the first person I've heard say that.

He's talking about Keyes, Shades. At least, I think that's who he's talking about. When people use pronouns improperly sometimes it's hard to follow.

Yep, I was talking about Keyes.

I guess that's what I get for being an engineer, and not an english major!

[_mledbetter]

Apparently, you didn't read the part of my post where it was the Democrats that voted against the civil-rights legislation. It wouldn't have passed without Republican votes.
It was Abraham Lincoln, a Republican, that freed the slaves.

You can't rely on the party names of the past to paint anyone now. Democrats used to be the conservative, pro-slavery party. Lincoln's Republican party was very progressive (anti-slavery, anti-polygamy).

Democrats are still the pro-slavery party. They do all they can to keep blacks on the liberal "plantation".

I don't think that I would characterize the Democrat party of the last 50-75 years as conservative.

Republicans are still the ones that see beyond race to the qualifications of a person. No quotas, no affirmative action, hire only the best qualified, etc.

Truly that is where MLK Jr.'s dream lives.

for what it's worth, I voted for Alan Keys in the last two elections, and probably will again, at least while I can, in the primaries. in my opinion, he is the smartest, most articulate, experienced candidate for President out there. Why don't the media say anything about the fact that the Republicans are running a black candidate?

For the same reason that nobody talked about Orrin Hatch's Mormonism when he ran. He never rose above 1% or so, so was never considered a serious candidate.

I know, it's sad, because he truly is a remarkable thinker.

Is the reason he's not considered serious because he's a black conservative, instead of a black liberal, like Obama? The media play their own favorites.

Dr. Martin Luther King had a very positive message which seems to be the exact opposite of the modern democrat party these days. I know for a fact that he wouldn't approve of even bringing up Barak's race in order to promote his candidacy. Nobody could read his I have a dream speech and come away thinking otherwise.

"I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." Dr. MLK I Have a Dream

[_chonguey]

Dr. Martin Luther King had a very positive message which seems to be the exact opposite of the modern democrat party these days. I know for a fact that he wouldn't approve of even bringing up Barak's race in order to promote his candidacy. Nobody could read his I have a dream speech and come away thinking otherwise.

"I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." Dr. MLK I Have a Dream

Which is why I support Barack. It isn't the fact that he is black that makes me like him. Like Dr King taught, it isn't the color that matters, it's the message.

I took the time to learn the message myself and came away with my conviction, and one where the color of ones race and background can inform a man, but it can not define a man.

Barack Obama is more than the sum of his parts. For those of us cheering for him, we KNOW that the success of Dr. King's dream lies not in platitudes, but in a nation that can see the embodiment of that dream and then vote a dream in to reality.

[_CaliforniaKid]

This evangelical would have no trouble voting for Romney. I could also support Guiliani and Thompson. I won't support McCain because I believe in the 1st Amendment.

I support equal free speech for all rather than an interpretation of the first amendment that favors the rich. I don't support torture. And I think McCain-Kennedy is a good compromise solution to the immigration problem. These are all reasons why I could never vote for Mitt Romney.

The more McCain opens his mouth the more I dislike him. Not that he could ever win anyway. If Obama doesn't win the nomination, I'll probably vote third-party.

[_Yoda]

If Obama doesn't win the nomination, I'll probably vote third-party.

If you vote third-party, you're throwing away your vote.

[_Bond...James Bond]

If you vote third-party, you're throwing away your vote.

When I voted for Bush I threw my vote away too....at least CK may be able to sleep at night knowing he wasted his vote on someone who doesn't take advice from his sky posse.

[_Dr. Shades]

If you vote third-party, you're throwing away your vote.

How do you figure?

[_mledbetter]

Dr. Martin Luther King had a very positive message which seems to be the exact opposite of the modern democrat party these days. I know for a fact that he wouldn't approve of even bringing up Barak's race in order to promote his candidacy. Nobody could read his I have a dream speech and come away thinking otherwise.

"I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." Dr. MLK I Have a Dream

Which is why I support Barack. It isn't the fact that he is black that makes me like him. Like Dr King taught, it isn't the color that matters, it's the message.

I took the time to learn the message myself and came away with my conviction, and one where the color of ones race and background can inform a man, but it can not define a man.

Barack Obama is more than the sum of his parts. For those of us cheering for him, we KNOW that the success of Dr. King's dream lies not in platitudes, but in a nation that can see the embodiment of that dream and then vote a dream in to reality.

And the fullfillment of that dream means we have to make a black guy president one day, no matter what? Even if he is a socialist? And if you don't you're a racist?

So, let me get this straight. This whole time, in all of your posts, when you were bringing up the fact that you are a 'white' guy voting for a 'black' guy; and when you were drumming on and on about how you think people in the south are racists and conservatives are racists because their little minds can't handle the understanding you have that it's important to vote for the 'black' guy; and that it was such a wonderful thing that a 'white' guy like yourself could support Obama the 'black' dude; it was all an attempt to show us how much you don't care about his race?

Oh, and to show us that you are a socialist. I got it. We all know where you stand now.

[_asbestosman]

If you vote third-party, you're throwing away your vote.

On that particular election you certainly do. However, I think that if enough people started throwing their votes away on 3rd parties that the two dominant parties would eventually want those votes back and would modify their stances accordingly. At least I hope so. I hate the Democratic and Republican party lines.

However, I personally think that this coming year is not the one on which to play those games because right now the world seems to be looking to the American President and judging all America accordingly--rightly or wrongly. I think it's up to each of us to decide which candidate would send the world the message we want. Go ahead and figure out what you think is best or indeed what messages might be sent by each candidate.

[_chonguey]

And the fullfillment of that dream means we have to make a black guy president one day, no matter what? Even if he is a socialist? And if you don't you're a racist?

So, let me get this straight. This whole time, in all of your posts, when you were bringing up the fact that you are a 'white' guy voting for a 'black' guy; and when you were drumming on and on about how you think people in the south are racists and conservatives are racists because their little minds can't handle the understanding you have that it's important to vote for the 'black' guy; and that it was such a wonderful thing that a 'white' guy like yourself could support Obama the 'black' dude; it was all an attempt to show us how much you don't care about his race?

Oh, and to show us that you are a socialist. I got it. We all know where you stand now.

Keep it up. Your words can do more than mine ever could.

I don't care about "Race", but I do care about "Racism" and look for my own ways the help fight it.

It's a theme that I see time and time again among the cynics and the haters.

It's amazing to watch people certain "pundits" fall all over themselves to display any and all irrational opposition to Obama's campaign and turn it in to an issue of race baiting, and not one of policy or idea or merit.

It's like you really, really want to be able to fling the final insult, but in 21st Century America it is an insult that is not dare uttered by anyone who doesn't want to be exposed for what they truly are.

I know that a lot of it adds up to an argument that seeks to put "Obama" in his "place." The place that certain "powers that be" most certainly don't want you to think is a place he can achieve.

Saying the N word without saying the N word doesn't mean that you're not still really saying the N word. Know what I mean?

It's just a tactic that won't work anymore among respectful, compassionate Americans.