BIC children who stray.

[_Runtu]

Reminds me of the conversations I've had with my parents about religion. I don't volunteer anything and answer only in the most generic ways.

Dad: I've been told you're completely inactive in the church these days.
Me: No, Dad, that's not true.
Dad: That's what I thought.

What possible reason would I have for explaining to my father why I don't attend regularly and more importantly why I don't believe in Mormonism?

[_Abinadi's Fire]

And who wants to disappoint their grandma

Exactly.

Breaking such an innocent trust would be shameful.

[_TAK]

Jason Bourne

Are you referring to this life or Orson Whitney's famous wuote that they will come back in this life or the next because the sealing power will draw them.

Do you realize how heretical a concept that is to mainstream Christians ?

The thought a righteous parent can save a child??

Maybe it’s a bit like the guy living in the double wide trailer making fun of the guy living in the single wide, but its little wonder why mainstream Christians think Mormons are not a Christian church.

[_Abinadi's Fire]

What possible reason would I have for explaining to my father why I don't attend regularly and more importantly why I don't believe in Mormonism?

Sure, it's easier just to pretend that everything is alright.

Right?

[_Runtu]

What possible reason would I have for explaining to my father why I don't attend regularly and more importantly why I don't believe in Mormonism?

Sure, it's easier just to pretend that everything is alright.

Right?

My parents know I don't believe, but I don't see the need to go into details. Nobody believes everything is "all right."

[_Abinadi's Fire]

My parents know I don't believe, but I don't see the need to go into details. Nobody believes everything is "all right."

I understand. This isn't an easy thing for anyone, and I'm sorry I pushed it like I did.

[_Runtu]

My parents know I don't believe, but I don't see the need to go into details. Nobody believes everything is "all right."

I understand. This isn't an easy thing for anyone, and I'm sorry I pushed it like I did.

Don't worry about it. Everyone finds their own way to deal with these kinds of things. I couldn't pretend I was a believer and go through the motions, so I don't. But I don't take opportunities to reopen old wounds.

Honestly, I think my parents are mostly just glad I'm still alive. The church stuff is secondary. I tend to agree.

[_Roger Morrison]

Jason B:

WOW!!!! Well let me tell you all, and Charity as well......there are a heck of a lot of members who you think by looking at their outward acts of righteousness-temple attendance, paying tithes, grooming, saying testimonies, even having a pretty good testimony... that are really doing a lot of sin and making lots of mistakes. What does that make them???? Human! But they have issues and guess what Charity...they ain't really all that much holier then the next guy. I know because I spent hours with members in counseling when I held a calling to do just that. Mormons have all sorts of problems

Jason, you are, "...our hope for years to come..." Bro! You have to be an asset in whatever Branch/Ward/Stake you attend. A guy once said, "if ya wann'a know how holy someone is, look at their socks and underwear." This "holiness" stuff belongs in the era it came from.

Someone above alluded to the fact Charity can't help herself. I tend to agree... She is a product of someone's/some-thing's doing. They'll be held accountable, as will she for the good, and not-good left in her wake.

After all folks, she's nearly as old as me. Ya can't expect tooooo much :-) Roger

[_solomarineris]

'Love the sinner, but hate the sin' - lets be clear, its sin that precedes the loss of testimony.

Let's be clear. It isn't sin that precedes the loss of testimony. The loss of testimony precedes sin. The man who has a testimony of celestial marriage isn't gonig to cheat on his wife. He loses the testimony, he cheats.

Wow, Wow...your naivity knows no bounds. In my life-time I've seen equally faithful/faithless scumbags betray their spouses. Just because someone has TR/goes church/Synagog every Sunday will not prevent him/her to screw her neighbor's spouse.

In my case loss of faith strengthened my loyalty to my family, my loyalty to my environment, I treat people much better with my own judgement.
I only need a working brain, which served me well so far.

The average of the laws speak well in this matter

[_solomarineris]

'Love the sinner, but hate the sin' - lets be clear, its sin that precedes the loss of testimony.

Let's be clear. It isn't sin that precedes the loss of testimony. The loss of testimony precedes sin. The man who has a testimony of celestial marriage isn't gonig to cheat on his wife. He loses the testimony, he cheats.

[b]Wow, Wow...your naivity knows no bounds. In my life-time I've seen equally faithful/faithless scumbags betray their spouses. Just because someone has TR/goes church/Synagog every Sunday will not prevent him/her to screw her neighbor's spouse.

In my case loss of faith strengthened my loyalty to my family, my loyalty to my environment, I treat people much better with my own judgement.
I only need a working brain, which served me well so far.

The average of the laws speak well in this matter[/b]