Why They Leave

[_Imwashingmypirate]

How abuot a couple of sentences.

What questions did he find unanswerable? What temptations? There are those on another thread who tell me a person sins and then loses their testimony.

I don't listen to any personal stories that are an hour long.

Isn't that what you do every Sunday for three hours?

I thought that was just fasting testimony sunday.

[_The Dude]

Hey guys, if you don't have high speed internet it can be a real pain to use some kinds of media. We aren't all in the cyber-future, you know.

[_Pokatator]

How abuot a couple of sentences.

What questions did he find unanswerable? What temptations? There are those on another thread who tell me a person sins and then loses their testimony.

I don't listen to any personal stories that are an hour long.

I like Bishopric's comment. You do go for 3 hours a week to learn something and to listen to personal stories. You really spend countless hours on these boards and yet, you seem to continue to respond to threads again and again with responses that are totally clueless.

I am not sure that you ever listen to anything or read anything that doesn't come from FAIR, FARMS, Ensign, MADB, or a personal "TBM" story or out of Mormon, Inc. You have demonstrated repeatedly here that you really don't read what many posters write here, you just post more of your script, your one sided paradigm.

Perhaps, you need to spend some time, an hour once in a while, listening or reading someone else's personal story that is outside of your paradigm. Even in your response here, you don't want to spend the time yourself but you ask for a couple of questions from someone who did take the time.

How abuot a couple of sentences. What questions did he find unanswerable? What temptations?

I could quote you and ask if you are too lazy to do your own research, now couldn't I?

Then you go back trying to support your position on another thread without reading anything or learning anything from the posted material.

Example:

There are those on another thread who tell me a person sins and then loses their testimony.

It is no mystery to me why we get the same continuous mantra from you day in and day out, thread after thread and post after post.

[_Pokatator]

Charity,

I got up this morning and reread this thread and my post. I may have been too harsh on you in overlooking that you may have the techie problem of a slow internet. I lived with a slow internet for a long time, it does limit you in viewing the YouTubes and speeches and long files, etc.

But I must still say, that my assessment of your mode of operandi is still accurate, in my view. I just don't see you trying to understand the opposing side.

[_beastie]

Charity, like other True Believers, doesn't need to hear exmormons' explanations of why they leave. True Believers already know why they left, the prophets have told them long ago. Moreover, if an exmormon wants to talk about why he/she left, he/she is no longer a good, silent exmormon*, but is now an "anti-mormon", and the stories "anti-mormons" tell cannot be trusted because they are suspect to fabrication in order to be accepted by their new anti-mormon community (see atrocity tales).


*the one possible exception to "good exmormons are silent exmormons" cliché is when an exmormon offers a few reasons for his/her loss of faith, but spends more time praising the church as a beneficial institution than dwelling on why he/she left

[_Yoda]

Charity might have a Mac. This slide show is only viewable on Internet Explorer, which is pretty lame. You can't even view it on Firefox.

Even at work, where I use a PC, I use Firefox as my primary browser as opposed to Internet Explorer.

I can't listen to the podcast from work, but I may try to pull up the slide show.

[_Jason Bourne]

I can't do podcasts. I am not technologically capable.

Listen on line. You are certainly at your computer enough.

[_BishopRic]

Why They Leave by John Dehlin:

http://mormonstories.org/whytheyleave/

Hands down the best hour I've spent on the internet. If you are still in a position where you attend, this podcast/slide show is more than a breathe of fresh air.

Brilliant!

Thanks for the link Maxrep. This IS one of the most concise explanations of my exodus...and given by an active Mormon (hopefully making it more believable by members). It's in my "favorites," and I will use it whenever a person wants to know why I left.

[_The Nehor]

Charity might have a Mac. This slide show is only viewable on Internet Explorer, which is pretty lame. You can't even view it on Firefox.

Even at work, where I use a PC, I use Firefox as my primary browser as opposed to Internet Explorer.

I can't listen to the podcast from work, but I may try to pull up the slide show.

I pulled it up in Firefox.

I listened to the podcast. Most of it was good but I thought his conclusions were a little off. I agree that there could probably be more charity towards others rather than a vague sense of fear about them. However, his conclusion that people should consider staying because of good rather than truth came off as shallow to me. Maybe it works for him and some others but I couldn't do it.

[_Yoda]

It's odd. He must have fixed something between last night and this morning. When I tried to pull this up on Firefox, it wouldn't pull up.

Now it is.

At any rate, I can't actually listen to the podcast, but I was able to read the slide show.

One thing that I agree with is this statement that he made:

"You CAN be a Mormon on your own terms. At the core, everyone is."

This is very true.

As an adult, you have the right and obligation to make choices that are going to work best for your family, and for your sense of values.

The most difficult thing that I had to do was get rid of the guilt when it came to turning down a calling or an assignment. I still make an honest effort to serve others, but not at the expense of my family.