BYU Porn Study

[_MishMagnet]

1) I can't believe anyone at BYU would admit to such.
2) When I went to BYU we didn't have the internet and MTV was blocked.
3) I don't hear of porn addiction anywhere, in any circle, unless it's related to the church.

[_truth dancer]

I'm not a fan of porn.

I think it reduces women to be objects and bodies for men to use, just like women have been viewed by men for the past, what, six thousand years. (sigh) And, porn is tranforming society in ways we are just beginning to comprehend.

Sexual addiction is a HUGE problem throughout the world, getting worse literally everyday. It is not openly discussed by addicts and their families, (no surprises here), but it is HUGE.

If you are interested in research addressing these issues you may be interested in:

Pornified: How pornography is transforming our lives, our relationships, and our families, by Pamala Paul

http://www.amazon.com/Pornified-Pornogr ... 0805077456


Another book written by an extraordinary man dealing with how porn is affecting our culture, relationships, and human beings:

Getting Off: the end of masculinity, by Robert Jensen

http://www.amazon.com/Getting-Off-Porno ... 089608776X

Pornography is a thriving multi-billion-dollar industry; it drives the direction of emerging media technology. Pornography also makes for complicated politics. These days, anti-porn arguments are assumed to be "anti-sex" and thus a critical debate is silenced. This book breaks that silence. Alarming and thought-provoking, Getting Off asks tough, but crucial, questions about pornography, sex, manhood, and the way toward genuine social justice.

Robert Jensen is an associate professor in the School of Journalism at the University of Texas at Austin. He is the author of The Heart of Whiteness: Confronting Race, Racism and White Privilege and Citizens of the Empire: The Struggle to Claim Our Humanity.

About the Author
Robert Jensen is a professor of media law, ethics and politics at the University of Texas, Austin. He is the author of Heart of Whiteness and Citizens of Empire. He also writes for popular media, and his opinion and analytic pieces on foreign policy, politics and race have appeared in papers and magazines throughout the United States.

And since there is a good chance someone reading this is indeed addicted to porn, let me add this:

Don't Call it Love; Recovery from Sexual Addiction, by Patrick Carnes

Dr. Carnes is considered one of the leaders in dealing with sexual addiction issues, (and I was fortunate to have had my training in sexual addiction recovery from him)!

http://www.amazon.com/Dont-Call-Love-Re ... _lmf_tit_1

Most grapple with other addictions as well, but their fiercest battle is with the most astounding prevalent "secret" disorder in America: sexual addiction. Here is a ground-breaking work by the nation's leading professional expert on sexual addiction, based on the candid testimony of more than one thousand recovering sexual addicts in the first major scientific study of the disorder. This essential volume includes not only the revealing findings of Dr. Carne's research with recovering addicts but also advice from the addicts and co-addicts themselves as they work to overcome their compulsive behavior. Positive, hopeful, and practical, Don't Call It Love is a landmark book that helps us better understand all addictions, their causes, and the difficult path to recovery.

Just in case anyone is interested!

:-)

~dancer~

[_guy sajer]

I'm not a fan of porn.

I think it reduces women to be objects and bodies for men to use, just like women have been viewed by men for the past, what, six thousand years. (sigh) And, porn is tranforming society in ways we are just beginning to comprehend.

Sexual addiction is a HUGE problem throughout the world, getting worse literally everyday. It is not openly discussed by addicts and their families, (no surprises here), but it is HUGE.

If you are interested in research addressing these issues you may be interested in:

Pornified: How pornography is transforming our lives, our relationships, and our families, by Pamala Paul

http://www.amazon.com/Pornified-Pornogr ... 0805077456


Another book written by an extraordinary man dealing with how porn is affecting our culture, relationships, and human beings:

Getting Off: the end of masculinity, by Robert Jensen

http://www.amazon.com/Getting-Off-Porno ... 089608776X

Pornography is a thriving multi-billion-dollar industry; it drives the direction of emerging media technology. Pornography also makes for complicated politics. These days, anti-porn arguments are assumed to be "anti-sex" and thus a critical debate is silenced. This book breaks that silence. Alarming and thought-provoking, Getting Off asks tough, but crucial, questions about pornography, sex, manhood, and the way toward genuine social justice.

Robert Jensen is an associate professor in the School of Journalism at the University of Texas at Austin. He is the author of The Heart of Whiteness: Confronting Race, Racism and White Privilege and Citizens of the Empire: The Struggle to Claim Our Humanity.

About the Author
Robert Jensen is a professor of media law, ethics and politics at the University of Texas, Austin. He is the author of Heart of Whiteness and Citizens of Empire. He also writes for popular media, and his opinion and analytic pieces on foreign policy, politics and race have appeared in papers and magazines throughout the United States.

And since there is a good chance someone reading this is indeed addicted to porn, let me add this:

Don't Call it Love; Recovery from Sexual Addiction, by Patrick Carnes

Dr. Carnes is considered one of the leaders in dealing with sexual addiction issues, (and I was fortunate to have had my training in sexual addiction recovery from him)!

http://www.amazon.com/don't-Call-Love-R ... _lmf_tit_1

Most grapple with other addictions as well, but their fiercest battle is with the most astounding prevalent "secret" disorder in America: sexual addiction. Here is a ground-breaking work by the nation's leading professional expert on sexual addiction, based on the candid testimony of more than one thousand recovering sexual addicts in the first major scientific study of the disorder. This essential volume includes not only the revealing findings of Dr. Carne's research with recovering addicts but also advice from the addicts and co-addicts themselves as they work to overcome their compulsive behavior. Positive, hopeful, and practical, Don't Call It Love is a landmark book that helps us better understand all addictions, their causes, and the difficult path to recovery.

Just in case anyone is interested!

:-)

~dancer~

I don't have time to investigate your links. A couple of questions.

In the book on how porn has changed society, is this book full of acecdotes, or does it include actuall scientifically valid quantitative data (anecdotal evidence is important and can be useful; I'm just wary about generalizing to society from carefully selected anecdotes).

Is sex addiction "caused" by porn? Is porn a contributing factor? Are there actual scientific/medical data to demonstrate this?

I am not, ex ante, hostile to a hypothesis that porn viewership can lead to certain behaviors or tendencies, but neither am I hostile to the hypothesis that porn is a symptom rather than a cause. I suggest the causal arrow points in both directions. There are far, far too many casual consumers of porn such that if it had this significant effect on behavior, it should not be hard to identify in general population, as I think porn viewership cuts across the general population.

I'd bet my bottom $$ that some of the men in dark suits and white shirts sitting so righteously up on the dais during Gen Conference are porn consumers, casual or otherwise.

[_charity]

I don't have time to investigate your links. A couple of questions.

In the book on how porn has changed society, is this book full of acecdotes, or does it include actuall scientifically valid quantitative data (anecdotal evidence is important and can be useful; I'm just wary about generalizing to society from carefully selected anecdotes).

I'd bet my bottom $$ that some of the men in dark suits and white shirts sitting so righteously up on the dais during Gen Conference are porn consumers, casual or otherwise.

How quickly you go from the "I'm just wary" position to "I'd bet my bottom $$" line in order to slam the Brethren. Your change in position is a real twister. Which is it? Do you want to see data before you make a comment, or do you want to just throw out insults?

[_Infymus]

I'm guessing as a survey they let the subject define porn. Porn is infesting the Church. I'm guessing at least 33-50% of the male members of the Church have some problem with this.....possibly even more. It doesn't necessarily turn you into a rapist or deviant but we want the whole Holy Ghost thing to keep working.

Doesn't the Holy Ghost and Porn both create burning sensations under our nipples?

The Holy Ghost is nothing more than manufactured feelings that LDS Corp. wants you to think is divine. I can and have easily manufactured "Holy Ghost" feelings in Mormons, even as an apostate.

Where do you get your numbers that half the men in the Mormon Corporation have a "problem" with pornography? Also please define PROBLEM, because the way I see it, if you looked at even one naked hotty, you suddenly have a "problem" in the eyes of the Corporation.

The church BREEDS its own problems with this. The harder they try to stop it, the more men want to see what they are talking about. Don't touch your penis (I mean, little factory). Oral sex is banned. Now you have GAS stating that any dirty sex talk in the privacy of your bedroom is prohibited. Sex is bad. Sex is shunned, except when you are a newly-wed and so get in there and pump out the babies - but do it with the lights off, in the center of the bed, with your garments still on and in the missionary position only... AND DON'T ENJOY IT.

I think those old men who haven't experienced an erection in over 40 years (maybe 70 years for Packer) should STFU.

The LDS Corporation is just exerting another form of control over the members. And having BYU sanction a "report" on this was carefully constructed to enhance their own position.

Lets see a non-cult controlled school do the same study.

There are others who argue that the Mormon Corporation is carefully trying to keep members away from the Internet by playing the Porn card, but I digress.

In all reality, porn is just not that great. Once you have a look at it, the mysticism surrounding it fades away. The only reason it is tempting is because you are being told NOT to look at it.

[_guy sajer]

I don't have time to investigate your links. A couple of questions.

In the book on how porn has changed society, is this book full of acecdotes, or does it include actuall scientifically valid quantitative data (anecdotal evidence is important and can be useful; I'm just wary about generalizing to society from carefully selected anecdotes).

I'd bet my bottom $$ that some of the men in dark suits and white shirts sitting so righteously up on the dais during Gen Conference are porn consumers, casual or otherwise.

How quickly you go from the "I'm just wary" position to "I'd bet my bottom $$" line in order to slam the Brethren. Your change in position is a real twister. Which is it? Do you want to see data before you make a comment, or do you want to just throw out insults?

Holy Elipses Batman, did you see Charity omit from her reply a critical sentence in my post?

Why yes my good chum, why don't we present it here for others to see? This will reveal the nefarious plot of Charity to misrepresent what Guy Sajer wrote.
“There are far, far too many casual consumers of porn such that if it had this significant effect on behavior, it should not be hard to identify in general population, as I think porn viewership cuts across the general population.”
You will note that clearly implied in this statement is a hypothesis that porn viewership cuts across the population. Since the Brethren drawn from this population (and I do not believe are special in any sense), it follows that there will be certain among them who also view porn. It has nothing to do with “slamming” the Brethren.
In fact, a discerning mind would not that my statements are entirely consistent given that my suspicion of a claim that porn significantly affects behavior stems from the hypothesis, and apparent fact, that it is so widespread, and thus we should fairly easily note it’s impacts within general society—were its affects that big.
Geez, Charity, does your knee get sore from jerking so hard all the time.

[_Jason Bourne]

I'm not a fan of porn.

I think it reduces women to be objects and bodies for men to use, just like women have been viewed by men for the past, what, six thousand years. (sigh) And, porn is tranforming society in ways we are just beginning to comprehend.

Porn has typically been viewed as primarily a man issue and a problem for men. Today women are large users of porn as well. Men prone to more visual stimuli. Women more written. Women are also big users of chat rooms is a sexual way, which in my opinion is porn for them. So while I agree with your comments I do not think you should look at it from a men objectifying women view point only.

[_The Nehor]

I'm guessing as a survey they let the subject define porn. Porn is infesting the Church. I'm guessing at least 33-50% of the male members of the Church have some problem with this.....possibly even more. It doesn't necessarily turn you into a rapist or deviant but we want the whole Holy Ghost thing to keep working.

Doesn't the Holy Ghost and Porn both create burning sensations under our nipples?

The Holy Ghost is nothing more than manufactured feelings that LDS Corp. wants you to think is divine. I can and have easily manufactured "Holy Ghost" feelings in Mormons, even as an apostate.

Where do you get your numbers that half the men in the Mormon Corporation have a "problem" with pornography? Also please define PROBLEM, because the way I see it, if you looked at even one naked hotty, you suddenly have a "problem" in the eyes of the Corporation.

The church BREEDS its own problems with this. The harder they try to stop it, the more men want to see what they are talking about. Don't touch your penis (I mean, little factory). Oral sex is banned. Now you have GAS stating that any dirty sex talk in the privacy of your bedroom is prohibited. Sex is bad. Sex is shunned, except when you are a newly-wed and so get in there and pump out the babies - but do it with the lights off, in the center of the bed, with your garments still on and in the missionary position only... AND DON'T ENJOY IT.

I think those old men who haven't experienced an erection in over 40 years (maybe 70 years for Packer) should STFU.

The LDS Corporation is just exerting another form of control over the members. And having BYU sanction a "report" on this was carefully constructed to enhance their own position.

Lets see a non-cult controlled school do the same study.

There are others who argue that the Mormon Corporation is carefully trying to keep members away from the Internet by playing the Porn card, but I digress.

In all reality, porn is just not that great. Once you have a look at it, the mysticism surrounding it fades away. The only reason it is tempting is because you are being told NOT to look at it.

For porn addicts, the mysticism has faded away....yet they can't stop.

To compare the stimulation of porn to the manifestation of the Holy Ghost tells me you've either never felt one or the other or you've forgotten one of them.

[_Infymus]

To compare the stimulation of porn to the manifestation of the Holy Ghost tells me you've either never felt one or the other or you've forgotten one of them.

I know the difference between the burning of the buxom and the burning of the crotch. One can be cured by creme, the other by facing the truth of the Mormon Cult.

[_The Nehor]

To compare the stimulation of porn to the manifestation of the Holy Ghost tells me you've either never felt one or the other or you've forgotten one of them.

I know the difference between the burning of the buxom and the burning of the crotch. One can be cured by creme, the other by facing the truth of the Mormon Cult.

Perhaps, but are you sure you know which is which?