Whitewashing in the new Joseph Smith Manual?

Post by **_The Nehor** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:48 am

Big-league? Have you read the other Prophet manuals? I'm guessing about half the quotes have ellipses. Why I'm not a huge fan of them. They're useless for many purposes other than their intended use.....a brief 30-35 minute survey of a specific Prophet and what they said about one specific topic.

Post by **_Mister Scratch** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:58 am

The Nehor wrote:Big-league? Have you read the other Prophet manuals? I'm guessing about half the quotes have ellipses.

Right. And how many of them are omitting stuff of huge doctrinal and historical consequence?

Post by **_The Nehor** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:24 am

Mister Scratch wrote:
The Nehor wrote:Big-league? Have you read the other Prophet manuals? I'm guessing about half the quotes have ellipses.

Right. And how many of them are omitting stuff of huge doctrinal and historical consequence?

Quite a few actually. Admittedly most of my data on this comes from the Brigham Young manual from which I'd read a lot of the material and could mentally fill in blanks. The others I had much less of a basis for comparison. The Joseph Smith manual will probably be easier for me to examine for this.

They probably did take it out because it could lead to confusion just like much of the rest. 30-35 minute lessons. I personally DO NOT want to sit through a Priesthood lesson where there is a discussion of the merits of a hemispheric model for the Book of Mormon. I go there to be spiritually fed not to experience intellectual criticism and discourse. In any case, their whitewash has completely failed. You all saw through it. This abridged book.....has abridgements in it. Perish the thought.

Post by **_Gadianton** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:49 am

The Nehor wrote:Big-league? Have you read the other Prophet manuals? I'm guessing about half the quotes have ellipses. Why I'm not a huge fan of them. They're useless for many purposes other than their intended use.....a brief 30-35 minute survey of a specific Prophet and what they said about one specific topic.

In general, you can smokescreen a bit with the brevity excuse. Don't want to take up too much space. But in this case, the letter starting from "I was.." is already 2804 words long. and they got it down to 2674. Nobody uses an elipse for a 4% savings in space, unless their only intent is to tell a filthy, dirty little lie. And that's exactly what the brethren have done in this instance. They've yet again exposed the church as a lying fraud.

Post by **_beastie** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:41 am

Being spiritually fed = being told to do or be the same things over and over and over and over and over and over and over in an excruciatingly simplistic manner

God forbid that this necessary, endless, mind-numbing repitition should be occasionally interrupted by a discussion about the historicty of the Book of Mormon.

Post by **_truth dancer** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:27 pm

OK, its official!

The church no longer teaches the doctrine that the "The remnant [of the Lamanites] are the Indians that now inhabit this country."

This whole line of teaching, doctrine that has been taught and believed since Joseph Smith revealed it is now gone from the teachings of the LDS church.

Wow!

Joseph Smith didn't understand his revelations, he had a superficial understanding of the Book of Mormon, and this was just his OPINION! (sigh)

:-(

This tactic of the church really sickens me.

~dancer~

Post by **_guy sajer** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:51 pm

truth dancer wrote:OK, its official!

The church no longer teaches the doctrine that the "The remnant [of the Lamanites] are the Indians that now inhabit this country."

This whole line of teaching, doctrine that has been taught and believed since Joseph Smith revealed it is now gone from the teachings of the LDS church.

Wow!

Joseph Smith didn't understand his revelations, he had a superficial understanding of the Book of Mormon, and this was just his OPINION! (sigh)

:-(

This tactic of the church really sickens me.

~dancer~

Charity should be popping in any time now to tell us how this is all perfectly understandable and normal and that it means nothing.

Drum roll please.

Post by **_Imwashingmypirate** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:58 pm

Jinckies!!!.

Post by **_Infymus** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:10 pm

guy sajer wrote:Charity should be popping in any time now to tell us how this is all perfectly understandable and normal and that it means nothing.

WIN!

Post by **_The Nehor** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:28 pm

beastie wrote:Being spiritually fed = being told to do or be the same things over and over and over and over and over and over and over in an excruciatingly simplistic manner

God forbid that this necessary, endless, mind-numbing repitition should be occasionally interrupted by a discussion about the historicty of the Book of Mormon.

I have a different definition of spiritually fed: Being taught in such a way that the Holy Ghost can teach whatever it is that needs to be taught to those attending. Critics would love for the 3-hour block to turn into a symposium/debate society but that would be against our doctrine. It involves creating strife and is an easy doorway to contention.