Mormon Brainwashing

[_silentkid]

How do you know those ethics are right? Another form of indoctrination????? DUN DUN DUN

Ooops. I'm backed into the "how do we know anything" corner. Ya got me.

Well, I at least claim God told me my moral system is largely sound. You just have your......FEELINGS.

Super. The untestable "God told me" claim. Maybe in another thread you could expand on what constitutes God's moral system.

[_jskains]

There is a fine line between opinions and facts. Fact is no one has died from Mormonism and its teachings .

Do you really believe this?

Absolutely.... Unless you want to start getting into how the Utah state was run, but then you could go after EVERY state that had the death penalty.. Blood Attonement was a part of a political death sentence with a religious twist. Are you trying to tell me Mormonism created the death penalty now??

You don't believe that, do you?

JMS

[_jskains]

jskains obviously doesn't know what he's talking about. Many people have died, either directly or indirectly, as a result of Mormonism and its teachings. (Or maybe he
thinks that Blood Atonement is just an "anti-Mormon myth".)

Oh, yeah, THAT's it. I don't follow your interpretation, so I don't know what I am talking about. The logical fallacies run wild here! :)

JMS

[_jskains]

"Where the hell does this come from?"

You and your other pal said you would never let your children become Mormons... If I mixed you two up, then I apologize, but someone said they would NEVER let their kids be a part of the "Mormon cult". That is what started the whole parental brainwashing sub-thread.

JMS

[_guy sajer]

jskains obviously doesn't know what he's talking about. Many people have died, either directly or indirectly, as a result of Mormonism and its teachings. (Or maybe he
thinks that Blood Atonement is just an "anti-Mormon myth".)

Oh, yeah, THAT's it. I don't follow your interpretation, so I don't know what I am talking about. The logical fallacies run wild here! :)

JMS

I've noted a tendency of would-be apologists:

1. Make blanket, reductionist, or otherwise unfounded or silly arguments.
2. Display annoyance when critics beging to dismantle the aguments
3. Pull out the "logical fallacy" Trump card when things are not going well.
4. Make grandiose statements intended to demean all critics and their reasoning ability, such as "the logical fallacies run wild here" (all giving any reason to believe that she would know a logical fallacy if it walked up and bit him on the arse).
5. Pat himself on the back thinking that he's really put those critics in their place.

[Anonymous]

Blood Attonement was a part of a political death sentence with a religious twist. Are you trying to tell me Mormonism created the death penalty now??

Uh...what in the ? Where to start with this nonsense? First the utter lack of familiarity with global history displayed in the Homosexuality thread, and now this empy allusion to Utah history. Please, buddy, for the love of god, you HAVE know of about 120 specific people who pretty much "died from Mormonism and its teachings."

[_Infymus]

How do you know those ethics are right? Another form of indoctrination????? DUN DUN DUN

Ooops. I'm backed into the "how do we know anything" corner. Ya got me.

Well, I at least claim God told me my moral system is largely sound. You just have your......FEELINGS.

I'm interested in this. In Mormonism, I was taught that the Holy Ghost worked by FEELINGS, not by direct manifestation or visitation. You claim here that "Gold told me". God actually told you rather then sensations under your nipples via the Holy Ghost?

Even Gordy Hinkster recently admitted that he didn't actually "Talk" to God.

[_Who Knows]

My 7 year old son (who goes to church with my wife) picked up on the fact that I don't believe in god any more. So I asked him, one day, whether he thought daddy would go to heaven or hell. "Hell" he said without blinking. Ok, fair enough, though a little disturbing. So then I asked him a more general question. "Do you think daddy's a good person, or a bad person"? Without blinking again, he said "Bad person".

Well, when I was about that age, I thought that people who smoked were bad people. Maybe it's just that kids that age only have a very simplistic notion of right and wrong.

Yeah, i'm sure that's partially it.

And I'm sure the order of my questions didn't help. If I'd just asked out of the blue "am i a good or bad person", he would have said "good". But, since I first asked whether I'm going to heaven or hell, and he said "hell", then of course, that makes me a "bad" person.

And I'm sure, whether we raised him as a devout catholic, JW, or Mormon, the answer would have been the same.

So, i guess in essence, I don't really think the LDS church is that much different (in terms of brainwashing) than any other religion. I think the 'devoutness' of the individual plays the majority of the role.

[_Mister Scratch]

jskains obviously doesn't know what he's talking about. Many people have died, either directly or indirectly, as a result of Mormonism and its teachings. (Or maybe he
thinks that Blood Atonement is just an "anti-Mormon myth".)

Oh, yeah, THAT's it. I don't follow your interpretation, so I don't know what I am talking about. The logical fallacies run wild here! :)

JMS

No, it's not so much that you "don't follow" MY interpretation. Rather, you seem to be completely oblivious to the whole history of Mormonism. It is not just MY "interpretation" that you are at odds with, my dear friend---you "don't follow" the interpretations of D. Michael Quinn, Juanita Brooks, Will Bagley, Jon Krakauer, and countless other historians, writers, and scholars. If you have some actual evidence supporting your claim that "no one has died from Mormonism," I would be more than glad to look it at.

[_jskains]

jskains obviously doesn't know what he's talking about. Many people have died, either directly or indirectly, as a result of Mormonism and its teachings. (Or maybe he
thinks that Blood Atonement is just an "anti-Mormon myth".)

Oh, yeah, THAT's it. I don't follow your interpretation, so I don't know what I am talking about. The logical fallacies run wild here! :)

JMS

I've noted a tendency of would-be apologists:

1. Make blanket, reductionist, or otherwise unfounded or silly arguments.
2. Display annoyance when critics beging to dismantle the aguments
3. Pull out the "logical fallacy" Trump card when things are not going well.
4. Make grandiose statements intended to demean all critics and their reasoning ability, such as "the logical fallacies run wild here" (all giving any reason to believe that she would know a logical fallacy if it walked up and bit him on the arse).
5. Pat himself on the back thinking that he's really put those critics in their place.

I've noted a tendancy of Anti-Mormons:

1. Make blanket, reductionist, or otherwise unfounded or silly arguments about the LDS Church.
2. Display annoyance when Pro-Mormons don't lie down and agree.\
3. Pull out the "Strawman Argument" Trump card when things are not going well.
4. Make grandiose statements intended to demean all Mormons and their reasoning ability, such as "Your a believer, so your brainwashed and can't see the error of your ways".
5. Pat himself on the back, thinking that he's really put those Mormons in their place.

What else?

1. Demand that everything they say is truth.
2. Use insulting comments like "Morg" or "Mormon Cult"
3. Declare that they are "enlightened" or "free" in order to insinuate that no active Mormon could possibly be a free thinker.
4. Blame Mormonism for every evil they possibly can.
5. Make fun of their spelling using things like [sic] to further expand their "arguments".

Shall I go on? We can always compare these notes, or we can actually discuss things like adults. Ball in your court.

JMS