Ray A: The Gandhi of Internet Mormonism?

[_Ray A]

Or are we still just going on Ray's word?

My word? Even if I showed you the PMs you'd give Scratch the benefit of the doubt. That's why you're a complete anti-Mormon hack.

[_beastie]

by the way, Daniel, since you're back among us at least temporarily, what is your reaction to the recent discovery that, during one of his "I hate Mormon apologists" phases, Ray PMd the ZLMB mods and said, among other disturbing things, that "YOUR F***ING MISSIONARIES ARE DEAD"?

Does it feel good to have a person of such notable ethics and stability as one of your most fervent defenders?

[_Ray A]

by the way, Daniel, since you're back among us at least temporarily, what is your reaction to the recent discovery that, during one of his "I hate Mormon apologists" phases, Ray PMd the ZLMB mods and said, among other disturbing things, that "YOUR F***ING MISSIONARIES ARE DEAD"?

I'm quite sure Dan is now aware of this, but unlike you, twit, he has a brain.

[_beastie]

I'm quite sure Dan is now aware of this, but unlike you, twit, he has a brain.

LOL!

Go Ray, go Ray, go Ray!! Let it spew!!

Your rantings aside, I'd really like to hear how DCP feels about a person with your ethics and stability now being one of his most ardent defenders.

Personally, I'd be thinking "with friends like this, who need enemies"?

[_Mister Scratch]

I'm quite sure Dan is now aware of this, but unlike you, twit, he has a brain.

LOL!

Go Ray, go Ray, go Ray!! Let it spew!!

Your rantings aside, I'd really like to hear how DCP feels about a person with your ethics and stability now being one of his most ardent defenders.

This is a good question, although I bet he doesn't care, since he's already got Rusty "Pahoran" McG as his friend. Why not add another "gollum"-type to the collection?

Anyways, I bet that I've scared The Good Professor off with my mention of the Sorenson articles. It seems he is extraordinarily terrified of engaging me on this issue, and that he vents his fear by baiting and taunting Yme on the MADboard. Someone needs to PM Yme and tell him/her that multiple challenges have been issued here, and that DCP is cowering in fear over on the MADboard. I'd like to see DCP try to explain to all of his adoring TBM MADites why he's afraid to discuss this issue.

[_Ray A]

I'm quite sure Dan is now aware of this, but unlike you, twit, he has a brain.

LOL!

Go Ray, go Ray, go Ray!! Let it spew!!

Your rantings aside, I'd really like to hear how DCP feels about a person with your ethics and stability now being one of his most ardent defenders.

Personally, I'd be thinking "with friends like this, who need enemies"?

I suppose I could call you a "deranged prick", as Scratch called me, but you'd only object to my outburst. But one thing I'll give Scratch, at least he's honest to some degree. He let me know what he really felt by PM. You'd never do this, because you're a sly and cunning anti-Mormon Pharisee, and this is why I respect Scratch more than you. You withhold swear words, but you have more anti-Mormon dead bones and anti-Mormon skeletons in your closet than Scratch can even dream of.

You're very biased. I'm now beginning to think you got every thing you deserved from SL Cabbie. You know, you want to know the truth? You're a contemptuous and inveterate anti-Mormon.

[_Daniel Peterson]

As Scratch knows, I flatly deny having led or participated in any effort to slander Mike Quinn, Robert Ritner, or any of the other victims of my supposed evils that Scratch revels in parading before the horrified gaze of the handful of people here who may perhaps trust him. He simply doesn't care. He's safe in malevolent anonymity to traduce the character of others with no real consequence to himself.

Try telling that to Prof. Peterson, who maliciously baited Infymus into an angry outburst, and then proceeded to pass along the private email exchange to his pals on SHIELDS. He did this to an RfM poster named "Susie Q" as well.

That's a scream.

Poor, gentle Infymus was minding his own business one lovely spring afternoon, tending to the petunias in his garden and pausing occasionally to save a baby seal, when Big Bad Peterson (taking a lunch break from his day job of slander, libel, cunning deception, shameless lies, and rumor mongering, and having picked poor, gentle Infymus entirely at random) swooped in to the tune of the Darth Vader theme from Star Wars. Amidst peals of thunder, flashes of lightning, and the neighing of terrified horses, Big Bad Peterson deliberately tormented poor, gentle Infymus so severely that poor, gentle Infymus was compelled to express himself in . . . uncharacteristically uncharitable words.

All that's lacking is the black cape, the top hat, and the curling black moustache.

Anybody is welcome to read the exchange with Infymus. Although I haven't looked recently, I think it's up in full (with only poor, gentle Infymus's obscenities edited out).

And the entire, unedited exchange with Susie Q is there, as well. I did nothing with that material for a year, but, when I grew tired of her continual gross mischaracterizations on RfM of what I had said to her (in a two-way correspondence that her audience had had no chance to read) and her claims about how "brutally" I had treated her, I acted on the maxim that the truth is the best defense.

Of course, when the truth is "inconvenient" -- as it evidently is here, in the case of Scratch and the Falsified Personal Message -- certain unscrupulous people will resort to lies in an attempt to avoid the embarrassment of what they've done. And, as you and I both know, Scratch, this isn't your first time to do so. It's rather amusing, though, that you falsely seek to tar me with culpability for the very things that you yourself habitually do.

Malevolent mendacity. The pattern never varies. The leopard doesn't change its spots.

[_beastie]

You're very biased. I'm now beginning to think you got every thing you deserved from SL Cabbie. You know, you want to know the truth? You're a contemptuous and inveterate anti-Mormon.

Background context: I argued with RFMers who insisted Joseph Smith was a pedophile. I did not, and do not, think this was an accurate label. I also argued that I did not believe Joseph Smith had sex with Helen Mar. I also argued in defense of Dan Vogel's "pious fraud" theory versus the more popular RFM argument that Joseph Smith was a deliberate con-man.

In return, SLCabbie told me I was likely a product of incest, and other equally vulgar and inane insults.

Now Ray, in his "unbiased" glory, has determined that I really did deserve those insults after all!

Well, good, Ray's offering more evidence about his ethical and emotional stature. Still curious as to how DCP feels about having you as such an ardent defender.....

[_beastie]

And the entire, unedited exchange with Susie Q is there, as well. I did nothing with that material for a year, but, when I grew tired of her continual gross mischaracterizations on RfM of what I had said to her (in a two-way correspondence that her audience had had no chance to read) and her claims about how "brutally" I had treated her, I acted on the maxim that the truth is the best defense.

If I recall correctly, Susie objected to you posting her emails that contained her real name. You posted both the emails and her real name without her permission. Her real name was eventually removed by SHIELDS after Susie protested.

Is this correct?

[_The Nehor]

I think altering such a message is much more sinister.

Where is the evidence that he did so?

Or are we still just going on Ray's word?

Simple weighing of evidence. Ray asked that the mods pull it out. The mods are critics for the most part. Scratch would know more about how this board works than Ray and would know if he could pull this off. I don't think Ray would have a clue. Scratch has twisted my words badly before, especially regarding his ridiculous claims of Hamblin's anti-Semitism which are now taken as fact in his postings.

That anyone could accuse anyone of having to provoke Infymus to ranting is a joke. It's harder not to provoke him into insulting and profane rants.