Homosexuality from a Non-Religious perspective

[_beastie]

Actually there is good evidence to indicate human sexuality actually evolved to encourage short term primary mating with irresponsible cheating on the side. This is the model that seems to result in the most successful reproduction rate.

So how about we embrace that model?

[_JAK]

Ultimately, Sex is for procreation and that is it. We can douse it with all sorts of special meanings, but in the end, it's about keeping the human species going.

Now nature/god/"the giant turtle that barfed up the universe" or whatever you believe made sex extremely pleasurable so that we actually would DO it. If sex were unpleasant or boring, we would still be a small tribe in africa numbering a couple hundred with Dolphins ruling the world. Humans, however, being the intelligent and fun seeking bunch that we are, learned to use the pleasant part of sex, and block the actual use of it with contraceptives. Kinda like sniffing glue. Sure, the USE of glue is to stick something to something else, but that side effect has a lot of kids in the hobby shop...

Another part of the reproductive system is that we are male and female and have roles. I know, we as a society don't like roles, but traditionally, the women birthed and nurtured the child while the man protected the "family". Men are naturally more agressive and physical while women are naturally more intelligent and emotional. This role system has been effective in getting us where we are today from hiding from saber-toothed tigers to protecting familes from the evil communists. These roles were EQUAL, but DIFFERENT.

Now I know, there are men who ABUSED the role system, and in traditional "overractive" society that we have become, we throw the baby out with the bathwater. Rather than directly address the problem we threw out all ideas of roles and beat them into the ground... That coupled with World War II when women were forced to work for the factories, etc. to keep the country going, having these traditional roles became "evil".

Whatever the case, in order to get these men and women together, there was the law of attraction. Men desired women and women desired men. But once in a blue moon, that mechanism fails, and we get Homosexuality.

The question becomes, why does this mechanism fail? Many theorize a chemical issue. We have all sorts of classified "chemical issues" that affect behavior. From depression, to ADHD, to sexual addiction... Each creating a sense of reality different from the norm. For example, in depression (clinical), the sense of sadness is very real, even though there isn't much to be sad about... So if homosexuality is a similar chemical imbalance, the same is true there. The sense that they love the same sex is very "real".

Perhaps my computer background is part of the problem. If a part of a computer fails (expecially the motherboard), some people just ignore that part. For example, if an on-board ethernet controller fails, some people would just disable it and install an add-on card. The problem is that if one part of the motherboard has failed, other parts could be soon behind it. I would want to find out what killed the original ethernet port in the first place. If it is a shorted cable that did it, the cable plugged into the new card could kill it too.

So that comes back to homosexuality. I am against "protecting" it as an alternative lifestyle. I agree that people with disabilities should be treated with respect, but trying to promote it as a way to be is where we part company. What if this chemical imbalance (as even the homosexual community is promoting - "being gay is not a choice!") has broader effects? Protecting it as a legit way to be could hinder the review and examination of homosexuality. What if it can be cured? We want to cure depression. We want to cure ADHD/ADD... We want to cure people attracted to children.... Why do we want to take homosexuality and drop it into a different area and promote it as a great alternative lifestyle? I don't mind tolarance of people who are different, but to protect broken sexual behavior opens the door wide open to accepting other "alternative" preferences... Beastiality anyone?

Just my thoughts...

JMS

There are many issues or questions not one as you claim here.

jskains stated:
The question becomes, why does this mechanism fail?

Why do people get cancer? Why do people have poor vision requiring glasses? Why do people lose their teeth?

There are multiple answers to your question. Worse, you assume “mechanism failure.” Men confined with men only in prison often have homosexual contacts. They may not be homosexuals. But, there are no females. If they are going to have sex with another person that person is the same sex. Since prisons don’t put a male and a female in the same cell for 24/7.

Sexual response is the same whether it is with someone of the same sex or the opposite sex. You appear quite uninformed in your post.

jskains stated:
I am against "protecting" it as an alternative lifestyle.

Why? Do you consider the human species an endangered species? Actually humans are endangered but not by homosexuality. Air and water pollution and global warming are infinitely greater threats to the human species than the minority of homosexuals.

You have not established that homosexuality is “a disability.” Poor vision is a disability. Obesity is a disability. Any life-threatening disease is a disability.

jskains stated:
Protecting it as a legit way to be could hinder the review and examination of homosexuality.

Nonsense. There has been a great deal of “examination of homosexuality.” There has been no hindrance of “review and examination of homosexuality.”
Homosexuality occurs in the general population less than 10% among males and even less among females. It’s no threat to the species. What’s the comparative advantage of attempting to reduce it? You say “cure” as if it’s a disease. Competent psychologists and psychiatrists generally disagree with your analysis. Homosexuality is not a disease.

jskains stated:
Why do we want to take homosexuality and drop it into a different area and promote it as a great alternative lifestyle? I don't mind tolarance of people who are different, but to protect broken sexual behavior opens the door wide open to accepting other "alternative" preferences... Beastiality anyone?

You don’t demonstrate tolerance [sic].

You also overstate the occurrence of homosexuality. It applies to a minority of people in ordinary circumstances. Prison is an extraordinary circumstance. You are most judgmental in the phrase “…protect broken sexual behavior…”

You imply that you oppose privacy. Is that the case? Sexual contacts in the general population is nearly always a private matter as much as sexual contacts which are heterosexual.

Your leap to “opens the door wide open to accepting…” is an unjustified leap to conclusion and demonstrates you to be a homophobic. You manufacture a threat which does not exist.

Few if any psychologists or psychiatrists would agree with your non-professional judgment here.

JAK

[_Jersey Girl]

josh

I am against "protecting" it as an alternative lifestyle.

Hi josh,

I'm going to include my screen name that is recognizable to you until you get who I am.

I'd like you to first describe the "alternative lifestyle" that is homosexuality. What are the features of this "lifestyle"?

LSD

[_Bond...James Bond]

I'd like you to first describe the "alternative lifestyle" that is homosexuality. What are the features of this "lifestyle"?

Besides the sex....(which still includes inserting something into something)....um.....probably some Satan Worshipping and sacrificing of innocent children. :/

[_JAK]

I'd like you to first describe the "alternative lifestyle" that is homosexuality. What are the features of this "lifestyle"?

Besides the sex....(which still includes inserting something into something)....um.....probably some Satan Worshipping and sacrificing of innocent children. :/

You fail to detail the links you assert. Do you argue that these links are universal for homosexuals? If not what percentage? If you don’t have anything on that, your assertions appear unsupported.

Suppose you point us to some weblink which has sufficient objectivity and academic level to quantify or clarify your claims here.

JAK

[_asbestosman]

I'd like you to first describe the "alternative lifestyle" that is homosexuality. What are the features of this "lifestyle"?

Besides the sex....(which still includes inserting something into something)....um.....probably some Satan Worshipping and sacrificing of innocent children. :/

You fail to detail the links you assert. Do you argue that these links are universal for homosexuals? If not what percentage? If you don’t have anything on that, your assertions appear unsupported.

Suppose you point us to some weblink which has sufficient objectivity and academic level to quantify or clarify your claims here.

JAK

Psst. Bond was being sarcastic.

[_Bond...James Bond]

I'd like you to first describe the "alternative lifestyle" that is homosexuality. What are the features of this "lifestyle"?

Besides the sex....(which still includes inserting something into something)....um.....probably some Satan Worshipping and sacrificing of innocent children. :/

You fail to detail the links you assert. Do you argue that these links are universal for homosexuals? If not what percentage? If you don’t have anything on that, your assertions appear unsupported.

Suppose you point us to some weblink which has sufficient objectivity and academic level to quantify or clarify your claims here.

JAK

What? Perhaps you should adjust your sarcasm scanner.

[_JAK]

I'd like you to first describe the "alternative lifestyle" that is homosexuality. What are the features of this "lifestyle"?

Besides the sex....(which still includes inserting something into something)....um.....probably some Satan Worshipping and sacrificing of innocent children. :/

You fail to detail the links you assert. Do you argue that these links are universal for homosexuals? If not what percentage? If you don’t have anything on that, your assertions appear unsupported.

Suppose you point us to some weblink which has sufficient objectivity and academic level to quantify or clarify your claims here.

JAK

What? Perhaps you should adjust your sarcasm scanner.

Gee, I missed the sarcasm in jskains statement Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:59 am.

I must download a "sarcasm scanner" for you, Bond.

JAK

[_Imwashingmypirate]

Might I say your post has made me think. WOW. I always thought homosexuality is disgusting and wrong but when I look at your prison statement, it is actually true. People (especially men) must fulfil their sexual needs somehow. It is instinct.

Pirate.

[_Jersey Girl]

josh

I am against "protecting" it as an alternative lifestyle.

Hi josh,

I'm going to include my screen name that is recognizable to you until you get who I am.

I'd like you to first describe the "alternative lifestyle" that is homosexuality. What are the features of this "lifestyle"?

LSD

josh,

I see that you have posted again recently. Would it be asking too much for you to participate in this thread that you started? My first question was posted to you above.

Thanks,
LSD