jskains wrote:At 14, then 15, and finally at 16, I had three seperate crushes with three seperate girls.. All of them turned out to be Mormon. Understand that I was a computer geek, not well liked in school, labeled a "nerd". So I never asked any of these girls out, but watched from afar. WHen I turned 17, I thought a lot about Mormonism and religion, so I tried the "praying to God" thing. I prayed and prayed for a week straight. Then came the Mormon Missionaries. My crushes attached to an attracton to any idea that was "rebellious" or "out of the norm", I joined the Church in 2 weeks.
Josh, I think you're a classic example of why the church shouldn't rush people into baptisms.
If it were medicine we were talking about, that would be malpractice.
Depends. If you believe in the claims of the Church, then in my case it is what God wanted, not what the people wanted. Perspective changes everything. It is like Homosexuality. If God doesn't like homosexuality, then that is that. Claiming "I don't think God would hate homosexuals" doesn't change His mind. God could be something we don't agree with. IE: Polygmany. If God thought he had a use for it, and you dislike polygamy, then God will be using something you don't agree with.
jskains wrote:At 14, then 15, and finally at 16, I had three seperate crushes with three seperate girls.. All of them turned out to be Mormon. Understand that I was a computer geek, not well liked in school, labeled a "nerd". So I never asked any of these girls out, but watched from afar. WHen I turned 17, I thought a lot about Mormonism and religion, so I tried the "praying to God" thing. I prayed and prayed for a week straight. Then came the Mormon Missionaries. My crushes attached to an attracton to any idea that was "rebellious" or "out of the norm", I joined the Church in 2 weeks.
Josh, I think you're a classic example of why the church shouldn't rush people into baptisms.
If it were medicine we were talking about, that would be malpractice.
Depends. If you believe in the claims of the Church, then in my case it is what God wanted, not what the people wanted.
If it were that important, wasn't two weeks a little fast to rush into it?
That's like buying a car in five minutes, or getting married to someone after only knowing them a few days.
When something's that important, it's worth the extra time to be sure you're making a correct decision. The LDS Church shouldn't have to be committing people to baptism that fast.
The road is beautiful, treacherous, and full of twists and turns.
jskains wrote:Because to me, Traditional Christianity has as many, if not more holes than Mormon theology. Mormon theology fills gaps for me that make Christianity more believable. Hence if you remove Mormonism, the glue that allows me to believe in Christianity in the first place, it all falls away.
JMS
What are biggest couple of holes in traditional Christianity IYO.
Doctrinal development of creedal trinitariansim and it's lack of support in the Bible.
The Bible itself-internal inconsistencies, questionable authorship, compilation process, lack of evidence for most of the gospels outside of Bible.
Lack of evidence for miraculous events.
Lack of evidence for many Old Testament characters and scientific evidence that frankly makes much of the early Old Testament stories not probable.
Why should I care what Josh believes in or how. Everything I read from him is self centered and conceited. Maybe if he listened to what everyone has been trying tell him he would realize he is not the center of this message board.
Why are we giving this person so much attention?
When I wake up I will be hungry....but this feels so good right now aaahhhhhh........
OUT OF MY MISERY wrote:Why should I care what Josh believes in or how. Everything I read from him is self centered and conceited. Maybe if he listened to what everyone has been trying tell him he would realize he is not the center of this message board. Why are we giving this person so much attention?
I haven't seen much from you that is loving and non-self centered. Is your concern that not enough attention is being given to you?
No I don't start topics talking about myself and what I believe. I have no desire for all the attention you have been getting from everyone. Everyone seems to be picking on you. Usually the posters here are pretty respectful to each other here and even nice to each other.
What I can't figure out is why everyone is picking on you. They don't seem to like you very much and you just got here on the 14th. It hasn't taken you very long to piss them off.
When I wake up I will be hungry....but this feels so good right now aaahhhhhh........
OUT OF MY MISERY wrote:No I don't start topics talking about myself and what I believe. I have no desire for all the attention you have been getting from everyone. Everyone seems to be picking on you. Usually the posters here are pretty respectful to each other here and even nice to each other.
What I can't figure out is why everyone is picking on you. They don't seem to like you very much and you just got here on the 14th. It hasn't taken you very long to piss them off.
I have read lots of outside posts complaining about the tone on this board. I have even seen RECENT posts HERE discussing how flame-warish this board gets, so don't give me that "everyone loves everyone and no one ever fights. We are all in Candyland and dancing around in a pretty gingerbread house. Is that not lovely?"
OUT OF MY MISERY wrote:No I don't start topics talking about myself and what I believe. I have no desire for all the attention you have been getting from everyone. Everyone seems to be picking on you. Usually the posters here are pretty respectful to each other here and even nice to each other.
What I can't figure out is why everyone is picking on you. They don't seem to like you very much and you just got here on the 14th. It hasn't taken you very long to piss them off.
Misery---
jskains has a long history on the messageboards. If you want a bit of background information, I would suggest that you read my OP in the thread, "FAIR to TBM Volunteer: "Go Screw Yourself!""
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My bad. I have mistaken anger for concern. It just seems like everyone is ganging up on him with all of their concerns.
Josh does seem like he is enjoying all of it.
When I wake up I will be hungry....but this feels so good right now aaahhhhhh........