Jskains Lectures Us on Youtube

[_jskains]

Again, I would suggest if you want to have a respectful conversation, why not start a topic in the Celestial forum and do your best to be respectful towards others... just see what happens?

I am getting tired of repeating this, but I presented two posts. The ball was in the member's court, they took the low road. Make all the excuses you want, but I would hope patient observers could see the same. My posts were controversial.... Shock shock. I said something a large majority do not agree with. That's the nature of a discussion.

JMS

[_jskains]

Josh frequently mentioned his struggles in the past. Although most of the fringe archives are lost due to its transition to a different format, I did find this one:

http://forum1.aimoo.com/Folk_of_the_Fri ... 77761.html

jskains

Someone recently directed me to some comments being made here about recent comments I have made at ZLMB. First off, I want to comment about the constant assumptions about my mental condition and capacity.I would ask that those decisions and analysis be left to the psychologists. While I am going through rough times, I am not suicidal and do not lack in external social activities. I remain active with my friends and family, which is ironic since I never really had good friends in Church. Most are non-LDS, and I have not withdrawn from them. The situation is tough and marks a difficult period I have to struggle through, however, I also know how to cope and not allow it to impose on other aspects of my life.The stuggle I feel with the idea of my wife leaving me over this issue is more mild. She is struggling socially with the Church as well. While we do not share the same lack of testimony that I do, she understands my reluctance to remain active in the Church. We are reflecting on how to move forward from that situation. The conflict results in our difference of approach. I want to fade away from the Church altogether, but because she still believes, she wants us to continue and to struggle through. She is still under the "if you are having questions, it is because you aren't praying enough, or not reading your Book of Mormon enough, or you are sinning" mentality, which stems from her Mother.Anyways, I just wanted to post so that I can express my feelings about the dispersions people are putting on me about my mental health. While yes, I do own a firearm, I use it for mental release on a controlled range, and it won't be going anywhere near my head or other extremities.JMS

And she keeps digging and digging. I guess your joke of a claim to empathy was fake. All you keep doing is trying to dig up as much dirt as you can to continuously publicly fry me. And I am the one needing help. Is your obsession with me that deep?

JMS

[_truth dancer]

I am getting tired of repeating this, but I presented two posts. The ball was in the member's court, they took the low road. Make all the excuses you want, but I would hope patient observers could see the same. My posts were controversial.... Shock shock. I said something a large majority do not agree with. That's the nature of a discussion.

Josh... did you post in the Celestial forum?

Would you say YOU were being respectful?

What excuses are you talking about... excuses for what? I'm unclear what this means. I do not recall making any excuses for anyone or anything.

If your posts were controversial, then I am sure you expected some controversial replies no?

If you complain, criticize, argue, act disrespectfully would you not expect a similar response?



~dancer~

[_beastie]

And she keeps digging and digging. I guess your joke of a claim to empathy was fake. All you keep doing is trying to dig up as much dirt as you can to continuously publicly fry me. And I am the one needing help. Is your obsession with me that deep?

I know, in your perception, everything is an attack. Everyone demonizes you. No one tries to know you.

I was trying to put my comments to you in context - context that came from the past, and the comments you sometimes made that concerned people.

But you've assured us your depression is conquered, and you're fine now. Good. I'm glad to hear that. So I guess what we're seeing now is just your basic personality. You arrive on a board, create a new post that obviously attacks the posters of the board, and then feign innocence when reactions are unpleasant.

Even aside from that, you interpreted comments about your topics as personal attacks even when no one else saw them as personal attacks.

[_jskains]

If you complain, criticize, argue, act disrespectfully would you not expect a similar response?
~dancer~

Argue? Because my view is different I am disrespectful?

Whatever. This is getting old quick.

And I am the one that needs help. Riiiiight.

JMS

[_beastie]

Argue? Because my view is different I am disrespectful?

Whatever. This is getting old quick.

And I am the one that needs help. Riiiiight.

Please see here:

http://mormondiscussions.com/discuss/vi ... php?t=4197

One of the constant claims is that exmormons HATE the Mormon church... But considering the facts and mechanisms in play, I fail to see it. Worse, I fail to see how exmormons HATE the Mormon church anymore than Mormons HATE exmormons.

For example, Mormonism runs off fear based control. "If you don't follow our teachings, you will not be with your family in the next life". Or "if you leave the church it is because you want to sin and are not a worthy person". So how are these fear based concepts fine, but exMormons somehow are HATE-filled?


Mormons like to dance and flail about, I know. It's now comical looking into it these days. Now that I am going to be a father, I have realized how important it is to understand the world as it is and deal with reality, rather than construct an alternate fantasy. Dealing with reality a positive light in a very dark world. Religious violence is common, religion seems to influence darker impulses in people, the most volatile and dangerous parts of the world are embroiled in religious conflict..... I am frightened of the world that I am bringing a child into. Ultimately it looks like people need to HATE something, and for Mormons, they get that high by trying to accuse exmormons of HATING the church.

It should be obvious to josh when his own words are rephrased to come out of an exmormon's mouth why he was seen as being antagonistic and combative.

I don't really care if he wants to be antagonistic and combative, by the way - it just is hypocritical for him to whine about how others reacted to his posts when he was antagonistic and combative in the first place.

[_charity]

And then of course, there is Okay Go on treadmills.

In shock that you know about this and you like it. I really dig that song, too.

And the video.

*has slipped into parallel universe*

CKS

It's a great video.

I may surprise a lot of people if they really knew me. I love dill pickle and peanujt butter sandwiches, too. Or maybe you all do, too, and that is no big.

But I hope those who have been trying to diagnose jskains see this as an illustration of the problems with attempting to really get to know a person on line.

[_jskains]

Even aside from that, you interpreted comments about your topics as personal attacks even when no one else saw them as personal attacks.

"If this truly reflects your views, I feel sorry for your wife."

"Charity (mrs. strawman) meet Mr. strawman. You 2 should get along just fine."

"Your argument, like usual, is juvenile and entirely flawed. "

Then we get to:

"Two words: PROFESSIONAL HELP"

"you have an illness that needs to be treated."

"This is an easy diagnosis. The man suffers from RayAitis. There is no cure."

"When you go to your next therapy session, tell your counselor to consider the diagnosis "grandiosity" for you. If all this stuff bothers you so much, you might take your own advice and "just leave!""

Then there is you and Mister Scratchy digging up and making up as much as possible.

So no.. Certainly nothing here has been personal.

JMS

[_beastie]

So no.. Certainly nothing here has been personal.

I never said "nothing here has been personal". I said you interpreted comments about the topic in a personal way. For example, you asserted that sex is for procreation, and then took offense when people questioned you personally about that.

Yes, some of these comments were personal attacks on you. Understandable, given the tone of your posts. But not all of them were. Not everyone demonized you, but you acted as if everyone had.

[_jskains]

So no.. Certainly nothing here has been personal.

I never said "nothing here has been personal". I said you interpreted comments about the topic in a personal way. For example, you asserted that sex is for procreation, and then took offense when people questioned you personally about that.

Yes, some of these comments were personal attacks on you. Understandable, given the tone of your posts. But not all of them were. Not everyone demonized you, but you acted as if everyone had.

You mean your interpretation of my tone. Tone is relative, expecially on a typed medium. I would think you would know that by now. And why are you still justifying negative behavior? "Understandable"? No it isn't. It's just bad behavior targetted at people who do not act in a respectful manner.

JMS