Jskains Lectures Us on Youtube

Post by **_beastie** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 3:59 am

Oh, I see. Gaz doesn't need help, but someone who has complex worldviews and expresses indecisiveness or is willing to look at both the good and bad in Mormonism, objectively, has a "skewed perspective". They need to be one, or the other. You pat them when they express genuine doubts, or even criticisms, then kick 'em in the backside if they shift to expressions of praise. You are too predictable.

Josh only wants dialogue, and seems to be honest in his expressions. He is demonised because he, wait for it: still believes Mormonism. That's it. If he was atheist, you'd treat him just like you do the other Josh - with sentimental flattery. I really have to be wary of someone who judges another by whether they're atheist or Mormon, and that's what you do.

Atheist: Good

Mormon: Bad. ("Get professional help")

I'm not speaking Greek, so I conclude that you are engaging in willful misunderstanding.

I stated quite clearly which of Josh's statements indicated a skewed perspective: "in all my years online, no one has ever tried to know me", and "everyone demonizes me". These have nothing to do with Mormonism.

You are quite determined to make this all about Mormonism, belief or lack thereof, when it's obviously not. But, again, I do not expect you to appreciate the distinction.

_Ray A · Post by **_Ray A** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 4:02 am

beastie wrote:I'm not speaking Greek, so I conclude that you are engaging in willful misunderstanding.

I stated quite clearly which of Josh's statements indicated a skewed perspective: "in all my years online, no one has ever tried to know me", and "everyone demonizes me". These have nothing to do with Mormonism.

You are quite determined to make this all about Mormonism, belief or lack thereof, when it's obviously not. But, again, I do not expect you to appreciate the distinction.

I fully appreciate the distinction:

Atheist: Good. Healthy. Of sound mind

Mormon: Bad. Unhealthy. Of unsound mind.

Who do you think you're kidding?

Post by **_the road to hana** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 4:18 am

Ray A wrote:
the road to hana wrote:None of this is true, Ray, and no one has a more volatile posting history on the boards. You've swung both ways over the years, and swung your fists both ways.

Did Kevin Graham? Is he credible? What say ye? Be blind to faults you agree with.

Kevin doesn't swear like a sailor like you do when you get riled up. Kevin has a long history posting on the boards, but made a gradual change from one position to the other. I haven't seen him swing back and forth like you do.

Generally, I think in some cases, I think the posting on discussion boards has more to do with filling a social emptiness, and when someone feels not included, or rejected on that board, they lash out and go elsewhere. I couldn't necessarily say that's true for either you or Josh, but I've seen the behavior.

Post by **_asbestosman** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 4:23 am

jskains wrote:"Your argument, like usual, is juvenile and entirely flawed. "

I think that is an attack on your argument, not you. Often times my arguments are juvenile and entirely flawed. While I may take that personally and get upset, I also know that it is not an attack on m character. Even if my arguments are usually juvenile and flawed, that does not mean that I myself am flawed or juvenile.

My humor is usually quite juvenile. Even so, I think I'm decent at playing with math on these boards.

Post by **_jskains** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 4:26 am

asbestosman wrote:
jskains wrote:"Your argument, like usual, is juvenile and entirely flawed. "

I think that is an attack on your argument, not you. Often times my arguments are juvenile and entirely flawed. While I may take that personally and get upset, I also know that it is not an attack on m character. Even if my arguments are usually juvenile and flawed, that does not mean that I myself am flawed or juvenile.

My humor is usually quite juvenile. Even so, I think I'm decent at playing with math on these boards.

It was unneeded and unhelpful. The term "like usual" demonstrates that all my ideas are juvenile. It was an attack, no matter how you dress it. It was too personal. Discussions never go anywhere with personal strikes, and trying to justify it by trying to narrow it elsewhere is useless.

JMS

_Ray A · Post by **_Ray A** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 4:28 am

the road to hana wrote:Kevin doesn't swear like a sailor like you do when you get riled up. Kevin has a long history posting on the boards, but made a gradual change from one position to the other. I haven't seen him swing back and forth like you do.

No, he only calls everyone who disagrees with him an "idiot".

When, and where, have I "swung back" to the position I held on Z. in 2003? Where was Kevin in 2003? Who was he defending? What did he post? Would "Mister Scratch" like to dig those up? Oh no, that be too embarrassing! I doubt Kevin would deny that, but Scratchie is too generous to faults in those he agrees with. I put it to you that if Kevin's posts as a defender were re-posted here, he would look even sillier than Scratch has fabricated me out to be.

Let's see how objective Scratch is, and let's see him use Kevin's past sentiments against him NOW.

Post by **_jskains** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 4:28 am

No one's mocking your diabetes. You admit to depression on your own website, and it's there that you speculate on a possible connection between depression and diabetes.

So what? Exactly what did it help? Going scowering the internet for dirt in order to attack my personal character? Your not a professional and should not be making pop psychological attacks from your little link to the internet. It was unneeded and unhelpful.

JMS

Post by **_asbestosman** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 4:30 am

Mister Scratch wrote:It has come to my attention, via one of my "tipsters," that Mr. Skains used to run a website called "needahappyhome.com", which is now defunct.

Who are these cowardly tipsters who get Scratch to do the dirty work of broadcasting juicy tidbits of gossip? Good grief.

Post by **_jskains** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 4:32 am

asbestosman wrote:
Mister Scratch wrote:It has come to my attention, via one of my "tipsters," that Mr. Skains used to run a website called "needahappyhome.com", which is now defunct.

Who are these cowardly tipsters who get Scratch to do the dirty work of broadcasting juicy tidbits of gossip? Good grief.

But remember, I am the one that needs all this help while "Mr. Scratchy" spends all that time scowering the internet for dirt to publicly humiliate me for no reason other than his own ego and personal amusement.

Again.. I am the one that needs help, not the obsessed Mr. Scratchy.

JMS

Post by **_asbestosman** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 4:33 am

jskains wrote:and trying to justify it by trying to narrow it elsewhere is useless.

Maybe you are right. Perhaps I simply choose to ignore obvious insults when I think dwelling on it is futile.