FAIR to TBM Volunteer: "Go screw yourself!"

[_jskains]

Helpful tip for the future.. If someone is truly as you claim, depressed and suicidal, feeding sharks in the area so they can jump in on a violent flame war is most likely not a WISE thing.

However, having beaten depression two years ago, I am not really worried about it. I don't think people should be put down for going through depression (or being diabetic for that matter). And for your information, diabetes can cause depression. Fixing the diabetes helped with the depression.

But just because I beat depression, doesn't mean I am going to suddenly side with your beliefs... I am still allowed to believe in Mormonism and NOT be depressed.. THey are not mutually inclusive.

No one was "putting you down" for going through depression OR diabetes, for heaven's sake.

And no one ever said that you would side with my beliefs because you beat depression.

You are making no sense whatsoever.

Are we reading the same board? Or are you ignoring the "youtube" thread entirely? In an attempt to mark my mental illness, one of your friends dragged diabetes into it. Diabetes.. And he stated "it is clear he is on diabetes medication".... This in the middle of a long, drawn-out smear campaign which includes some extremely odd story about how I think 500,000 houses are not good enough. I mean this place has some serious vultures, and sorry.. As I have said once and again, you appear to be one of them. There was no need for you to publicly declare I am mentally ill. The only value that had was to get everyone else's attention. Why not take some responsibility for your actions and stop making excuses? You could say "mabye I stepped over the line and I am sorry"?

Oh wait. I am open pray on a board like this. Evil Mormons and all. Smell some blood in the water and all the sharks come out to play... And they'll keep it up even if the blood turns out to be catsup.

JMS

JMS

[_beastie]

You PERCEIVE that people are "putting you down" with the reference to depression and diabetes. That doesn't mean that was what they were intending to do.

But for someone who thinks that "everyone demonizes" him, of course you interpret everything as an attack.

[_karl61]

It's okay to be wierd and unstable in a wierd and unstable world; in a wierd and unstable world everthing is relative.

[_jskains]

You PERCEIVE that people are "putting you down" with the reference to depression and diabetes. That doesn't mean that was what they were intending to do.

But for someone who thinks that "everyone demonizes" him, of course you interpret everything as an attack.

First off, I don't think everyone demonizes me. See, I have a world FAR beyond this message board. That is the problem with your armchair pop psychology. You are interpreting my mental status in one very tiny area of my life. Bad call.

Second, bringing up my depression and even moreso my diabetes has NOTHING to do with EITHER of my topics. When you bring up negative things that mean nothing to what is at hand, that is a method of attack.

If I walk into a room where we are discussing Mormonism and you say "oh forgive him, he is a depressed diabetic", that served NOTHING other than a rather sad attempt at discrediting and defaming someone.

But talking to you is like talking to a wall, which someone here in my room is asking me a very good question... Why do I keep talking to the wall. A question of a single personality quirk I do have... Getting the last word in.

JMS

[_beastie]

From page one on this thread:

jskains

Trying to figure me out rather than just trying to talk to me honestly are two different animals. In all my years online, no one wanted to know me, rather everyone has wanted to demonize me, so I just play along.

[_jskains]

From page one on this thread:

jskains

Trying to figure me out rather than just trying to talk to me honestly are two different animals. In all my years online, no one wanted to know me, rather everyone has wanted to demonize me, so I just play along.

You can cut and paste. You must be proud.

Again, these online forums are a VERY small fraction of my life. Perhaps I poorly worded that sentence, but I think you know what I mean and are trying to use it in order to forward your point.

JMS

[_beastie]

Again, these online forums are a VERY small fraction of my life. Perhaps I poorly worded that sentence, but I think you know what I mean and are trying to use it in order to forward your point.

How would I know what you mean? I still don't know what you mean. All I have to go by is your words NOW and in the PAST. From your history on boards the most reasonable interpretation of your words was what they actually said, because you have frequently claimed to be victimized and demonized - by both believers and exbelievers. These words were red flags to me. I stated that clearly from the beginning. This is a skewed perception of the world.

Now, maybe you did just express yourself poorly, but you could have cleared that up a long time ago instead of continually claiming to be unjustly victimized by horrible people.

[_jskains]

Again, these online forums are a VERY small fraction of my life. Perhaps I poorly worded that sentence, but I think you know what I mean and are trying to use it in order to forward your point.

How would I know what you mean? I still don't know what you mean. All I have to go by is your words NOW and in the PAST. From your history on boards the most reasonable interpretation of your words was what they actually said, because you have frequently claimed to be victimized and demonized - by both believers and exbelievers. These words were red flags to me. I stated that clearly from the beginning. This is a skewed perception of the world.

Now, maybe you did just express yourself poorly, but you could have cleared that up a long time ago instead of continually claiming to be unjustly victimized by horrible people.

I still notice you avoided my direct question (which you ALWAYS did). What value did dragging up all that garbage of a past and publically declaring that in YOUR unprofessional opinion, I need help, exactly do that was helpful for anything on this board other than an attempt to publically put me down and discredit my ideas. Answer that one for ONCE.

JMS

[_the road to hana]

Again, these online forums are a VERY small fraction of my life. Perhaps I poorly worded that sentence, but I think you know what I mean and are trying to use it in order to forward your point.

How would I know what you mean? I still don't know what you mean. All I have to go by is your words NOW and in the PAST. From your history on boards the most reasonable interpretation of your words was what they actually said, because you have frequently claimed to be victimized and demonized - by both believers and exbelievers. These words were red flags to me. I stated that clearly from the beginning. This is a skewed perception of the world.

Now, maybe you did just express yourself poorly, but you could have cleared that up a long time ago instead of continually claiming to be unjustly victimized by horrible people.

Here's a blast from the past, 2003 ZLMB:

http://p094.ezboard.com/fpacumenispages ... =324.topic

[_beastie]

I still notice you avoided my direct question (which you ALWAYS did). What value did dragging up all that garbage of a past and publically declaring that in YOUR unprofessional opinion, I need help, exactly do that was helpful for anything on this board other than an attempt to publically put me down and discredit my ideas. Answer that one for ONCE.

I already answered this. I was responding to your statement that:

Trying to figure me out rather than just trying to talk to me honestly are two different animals. In all my years online, no one wanted to know me, rather everyone has wanted to demonize me, so I just play along.

You are now saying that you poorly worded this, and somehow I supposedly magically "knew" what you really meant. Actually, I did not, and still don't. I know you have a history of feeling persecuted and attacked. I know you have a history of disassociating yourself from your own combative tone. When someone starts talking in terms of "everyone demonizing me", "no one tries to know me", these are huge red flags to potentially serious thought disorders. in my opinion, they indicated you need help.

You have turned that into an attack, which I knew was a risk.

The irony is that I actually agree with your statement that Mormons aren't really "brainwashing" people in the technical sense of the word, and have always viewed it as indoctrination rather than brainwashing. In fact, there is doubt among those who have studied the issue that "brainwashing" in the classical sense of the term even exists - even among those evil scientologists.

But my larger concern wasn't your point, but the same pattern of behavior you displayed in the past recurring once again. I guess it's just been so long since I interacted with you that I forgot it was absolutely pointless to try and talk to you about it.

Now, in regards to this:

Trying to figure me out rather than just trying to talk to me honestly are two different animals. In all my years online, no one wanted to know me, rather everyone has wanted to demonize me, so I just play along.

If you simply expressed yourself poorly and thereby led us astray, then perhaps you are just fine and dandy, as you insist. But you can hardly blame me for taking your own words at face value. I don't have a secret decoder ring to figure out what you really mean.