FAIR to TBM Volunteer: "Go screw yourself!"

[_jskains]

Again, these online forums are a VERY small fraction of my life. Perhaps I poorly worded that sentence, but I think you know what I mean and are trying to use it in order to forward your point.

How would I know what you mean? I still don't know what you mean. All I have to go by is your words NOW and in the PAST. From your history on boards the most reasonable interpretation of your words was what they actually said, because you have frequently claimed to be victimized and demonized - by both believers and exbelievers. These words were red flags to me. I stated that clearly from the beginning. This is a skewed perception of the world.

Now, maybe you did just express yourself poorly, but you could have cleared that up a long time ago instead of continually claiming to be unjustly victimized by horrible people.

Here's a blast from the past, 2003 ZLMB:

http://p094.ezboard.com/fpacumenispages ... =324.topic

Are you serious? Are you that childish? You claim to be some kind of professional?? Right. You are violating every single rule and would be fired for half this junk. Not that I believe you, but all this continues to discredit your own fantasies.

JMS

[_jskains]

I still notice you avoided my direct question (which you ALWAYS did). What value did dragging up all that garbage of a past and publically declaring that in YOUR unprofessional opinion, I need help, exactly do that was helpful for anything on this board other than an attempt to publically put me down and discredit my ideas. Answer that one for ONCE.

I already answered this. I was responding to your statement that:

Trying to figure me out rather than just trying to talk to me honestly are two different animals. In all my years online, no one wanted to know me, rather everyone has wanted to demonize me, so I just play along.

You are now saying that you poorly worded this, and somehow I supposedly magically "knew" what you really meant. Actually, I did not, and still don't. I know you have a history of feeling persecuted and attacked. I know you have a history of disassociating yourself from your own combative tone. When someone starts talking in terms of "everyone demonizing me", "no one tries to know me", these are huge red flags to potentially serious thought disorders. in my opinion, they indicated you need help.

You have turned that into an attack, which I knew was a risk.

The irony is that I actually agree with your statement that Mormons aren't really "brainwashing" people in the technical sense of the word, and have always viewed it as indoctrination rather than brainwashing. In fact, there is doubt among those who have studied the issue that "brainwashing" in the classical sense of the term even exists - even among those evil scientologists.

But my larger concern wasn't your point, but the same pattern of behavior you displayed in the past recurring once again. I guess it's just been so long since I interacted with you that I forgot it was absolutely pointless to try and talk to you about it.

Now, in regards to this:

Trying to figure me out rather than just trying to talk to me honestly are two different animals. In all my years online, no one wanted to know me, rather everyone has wanted to demonize me, so I just play along.

If you simply expressed yourself poorly and thereby led us astray, then perhaps you are just fine and dandy, as you insist. But you can hardly blame me for taking your own words at face value. I don't have a secret decoder ring to figure out what you really mean.

One more time. How is the act of scowering the internet to drag up dirt in order to publicly discredit me helpful? You have still failed to answer this question.

[_beastie]

Yeah, Hana, I remember those days. I was probably still a moderator during that period. We mods always had our hands full with Josh, and he usually complained that he was being unfairly targeted, like he did here:

Yeah, and everyone else gets off scott free. It's ok to tell me to shut up, and
it's OK to call me an embarassment, but OH, BOY, Josh says something and
off it goes!

JMS

This is why I actually took Josh's words at their face value when he stated that "everyone demonized" him. He certainly acted like he felt constantly demonized at Z. And he seemed to feel just as demonized by believers as by nonbelievers.

[_jskains]

Yeah, Hana, I remember those days. I was probably still a moderator during that period. We mods always had our hands full with Josh, and he usually complained that he was being unfairly targeted, like he did here:

Yeah, and everyone else gets off scott free. It's ok to tell me to shut up, and
it's OK to call me an embarassment, but OH, BOY, Josh says something and
off it goes!

JMS

This is why I actually took Josh's words at their face value when he stated that "everyone demonized" him. He certainly acted like he felt constantly demonized at Z. And he seemed to feel just as demonized by believers as by nonbelievers.

You just can't stop can you? Dragging more and more dirt over. And I am the one that needs help.

JMS

[_karl61]

dude - go spend time with your family.

[_jskains]

dude - go spend time with your family.

It is hard when I feel like I have to react to a massive series of attacks. A lot of it comes down to libel/slander, and these crosspostings and lies may force me to respond alternatively.

JMS

[_beastie]

One more time. How is the act of scowering the internet to drag up dirt in order to publicly discredit me helpful? You have still failed to answer this question.

This isn't to drag up dirt to discredit you, but to put our encouragement to you to get help in context. You have asserted that our encouragement to you to get help is simply an attack on you because you're a believer. So we have the right to put our statements in context. Context you don't want to hear, so you call it "dragging up dirt".

My opinion that you may benefit from professional help isn't something that I just suddenly created because you're a believer again. It's a concern based on the reappearance of old behaviors that troubled many others in the past as well. You're doing the same thing you've done on the other boards - you pop up and make combative posts, usually attacking the board overall, and then assume the position of victim when the natural consequences result. Then you make larger statements that make it sound like you're always the victim, always the persecuted, it's always "bash josh" day.

I've explained this over and over. You simply refuse to even attempt to register what I'm saying.

[_jskains]

One more time. How is the act of scowering the internet to drag up dirt in order to publicly discredit me helpful? You have still failed to answer this question.

This isn't to drag up dirt to discredit you, but to put our encouragement to you to get help in context. You have asserted that our encouragement to you to get help is simply an attack on you because you're a believer. So we have the right to put our statements in context. Context you don't want to hear, so you call it "dragging up dirt".

My opinion that you may benefit from professional help isn't something that I just suddenly created because you're a believer again. It's a concern based on the reappearance of old behaviors that troubled many others in the past as well. You're doing the same thing you've done on the other boards - you pop up and make combative posts, usually attacking the board overall, and then assume the position of victim when the natural consequences result. Then you make larger statements that make it sound like you're always the victim, always the persecuted, it's always "bash josh" day.

I've explained this over and over. You simply refuse to even attempt to register what I'm saying.

If you truely though I needed help, you would PM me directly. Respond to that. Why did any call for "help" need to be public unless it was a method of sidetracking my opinions so you could cast them off as the rantings of a depressed, diabetic fool? You don't have a right to make any judgement on my mental state:

1. You do not know me in any other setting.
2. You don't even know me in real life.
3. All your "evidences" are from posts which could not only come out of context, but do not effectively demonstrate tone or facial response.
4. You do not know me enough to even know my state today, other than I posted, you drug up old dirt, which fed everyone for a gang-up response.

Your irresponsible and arrogant to think you have a right to determine my mental state, and all you are trying to do is get me so angry at you for dragging up so much crap that I look worse than I am because I start reacting to you in an agry state.

Yes, I am pissed right now, and yes I blame you and Mr. Scratchy for being uncaring and hateful.

Or can you not look past your upheld nose?

JMS

[_beastie]

If you truly though I needed help, you would PM me directly. Respond to that.

You and I have never, NEVER, emailed or PMd each other directly. All our comments to each other, over the years, has been on public internet boards like this one. YOU made a public statement on this board indicating that "everyone demonizes" you and "no one has ever wanted to know" you. I responded in the same way - publicly on a public board.

[_jskains]

If you truly though I needed help, you would PM me directly. Respond to that.

You and I have never, NEVER, emailed or PMd each other directly. All our comments to each other, over the years, has been on public internet boards like this one. YOU made a public statement on this board indicating that "everyone demonizes" you and "no one has ever wanted to know" you. I responded in the same way - publicly on a public board.

Arrogant, that is all I can say.. Arrogant.

JMS