jskains wrote:and trying to justify it by trying to narrow it elsewhere is useless.
Maybe you are right. Perhaps I simply choose to ignore obvious insults when I think dwelling on it is futile.
Problem is the childish carpet-baggers like Mr. Scratchy, Beastie, etc. are continuing their dirt campaign and seem not to be able to stop. It is hard to drop it when they keep attacking over and over.
Worse, I have not ONCE insulted EITHER of them, nor have I taken any pot shots as low as they are going, yet I AM THE ONE that needs help. I thought obsession was a trademark of mental illness?
jskains wrote:But remember, I am the one that needs all this help while "Mr. Scratchy" spends all that time scowering the internet for dirt to publicly humiliate me for no reason other than his own ego and personal amusement.
Again.. I am the one that needs help, not the obsessed Mr. Scratchy.
JMS
Not only that. Virtually no one here among the anti-Mormons seem to believe Scratch altered my PM. Even beastie judges this on Scratch's "past performance". He "was right" about "some things", ergo he's "probably telling the truth". Yet this is the same beastie who picks and quibbles with every Mormon claim, demanding "evidence" IF it comes from a pro-Mormon.
I've posted what Scratch actually wrote, but not even an angel from heaven could convince them otherwise. No chance! They will believe Scratch long, long, before they believe me, because Scratch is an inveterate anti-Mormon, and that's the ONLY reason why they believe him.
jskains wrote:But remember, I am the one that needs all this help while "Mr. Scratchy" spends all that time scowering the internet for dirt to publicly humiliate me for no reason other than his own ego and personal amusement.
Again.. I am the one that needs help, not the obsessed Mr. Scratchy.
JMS
Not only that. Virtually no one here among the anti-Mormons seem to believe Scratch altered my PM. Even beastie judges this on Scratch's "past performance". He "was right" about "some things", ergo he's "probably telling the truth". Yet this is the same beastie who picks and quibbles with every Mormon claim, demanding "evidence" IF it comes from a pro-Mormon.
I've posted what Scratch actually wrote, but not even an angel from heaven could convince them otherwise. No chance! They will believe Scratch long, long, before they believe me, because Scratch is an inveterate anti-Mormon, and that's the ONLY reason why they believe him.
You and Josh should get a room.
Here's a golden nugget from Ray A.:
I think the "victim mentality" is what retards most progress. Reams of Internet space is devoted to these "sad victim stories". Sorry if I don't sound too accommodating, Wade, but I think the victim mentality is what hinders most progress. Maybe I'm just a "right wing, fascist conservative", but I believe that people should get on with their lives and stop blaming others for their misfortunes. It goes back to Genesis: Wife blames serpent, Adam blames wife. God, we have no blame - "others did it".
jskains wrote:But remember, I am the one that needs all this help while "Mr. Scratchy" spends all that time scowering the internet for dirt to publicly humiliate me for no reason other than his own ego and personal amusement.
Again.. I am the one that needs help, not the obsessed Mr. Scratchy.
JMS
Not only that. Virtually no one here among the anti-Mormons seem to believe Scratch altered my PM. Even beastie judges this on Scratch's "past performance". He "was right" about "some things", ergo he's "probably telling the truth". Yet this is the same beastie who picks and quibbles with every Mormon claim, demanding "evidence" IF it comes from a pro-Mormon.
I've posted what Scratch actually wrote, but not even an angel from heaven could convince them otherwise. No chance! They will believe Scratch long, long, before they believe me, because Scratch is an inveterate anti-Mormon, and that's the ONLY reason why they believe him.
You and Josh should get a room.
Here's a golden nugget from Ray A.:
I think the "victim mentality" is what retards most progress. Reams of Internet space is devoted to these "sad victim stories". Sorry if I don't sound too accommodating, Wade, but I think the victim mentality is what hinders most progress. Maybe I'm just a "right wing, fascist conservative", but I believe that people should get on with their lives and stop blaming others for their misfortunes. It goes back to Genesis: Wife blames serpent, Adam blames wife. God, we have no blame - "others did it".
jskains wrote:and trying to justify it by trying to narrow it elsewhere is useless.
Maybe you are right. Perhaps I simply choose to ignore obvious insults when I think dwelling on it is futile.
Problem is the childish carpet-baggers like Mr. Scratchy, Beastie, etc. are continuing their dirt campaign and seem not to be able to stop. It is hard to drop it when they keep attacking over and over.
Worse, I have not ONCE insulted EITHER of them, nor have I taken any pot shots as low as they are going, yet I AM THE ONE that needs help. I thought obsession was a trademark of mental illness?
Ignore them and let's get back to the homosexuality debate.
I have not once insinuated that you need help. I have only asked that you ignore any potshots others take against you because I would prefer to have a discussion instead of waiting while you are distracted by this futile back and forth stuff. I suppose it may be hard to drop it, but I'm asking you to try. I'm not saying I blame you if you choose not to. Even my patience runs thin at times. I'm saying that I would prefer that you ignore them for my own reasons--I want to debate with you and I understand that you came here for the purpose of debate instead of this futile back-and-forth squabbling.
That's General Leo. He could be my friend if he weren't my enemy. eritis sicut dii I support NCMO
the road to hana wrote:You and Josh should get a room.
Here's a golden nugget from Ray A.:
I think the "victim mentality" is what retards most progress. Reams of Internet space is devoted to these "sad victim stories". Sorry if I don't sound too accommodating, Wade, but I think the victim mentality is what hinders most progress. Maybe I'm just a "right wing, fascist conservative", but I believe that people should get on with their lives and stop blaming others for their misfortunes. It goes back to Genesis: Wife blames serpent, Adam blames wife. God, we have no blame - "others did it".
I lurk a lot and post little but I have to admit to my disappointment with Mr. Scratch in regard to this PM issue. I would like to see Mr. Scratch ask the third party powers that be to shine a light on the truth of the matter.
If both Ray A and Mr. Scratch are in agreement about letting Keene, or whoever has the power, to release the origina PM, then that would put this to rest. And I think that would be fair.
Personally, I am a critic of the church and I generally tend to agree with the critics here, but in my opinion, I feel a bit let down by Mr. Scratch on this point. I want the criticism of the church to be done on fair grounds.
If I am wrong in siding a bit more with Ray A on this one, I can accept that and I apologize, but I think an authoritative third party intervention would show that this board is the best place to be when you want to freely express your ideas.
I was banned from MAD several months ago for expressing my opinions and I feel like this board is far and away the fairest of the two. For me, resolving this scuffle between Ray A and Mr. Scratch would go a long way to maintaining that reputation.
If this is not possible, I'll live with it, but I'm curious and a tad concerned.
"I want to debate with you and I understand that you came here for the purpose of debate instead of this futile back-and-forth squabbling."
I did come here for debate, but every few moments, I have to wade through garbage like Beastie and Mr. Scratchy keep pumping out. I mean seriously. How adult is it to go around and drag up dirt on someone and arrogantly act as if you can make judgements on their mental state.
How do we debate in a way that people will keep out, or at least only offer unpersonal counterpoints?
amantha wrote:I lurk a lot and post little but I have to admit to my disappointment with Mr. Scratch in regard to this PM issue. I would like to see Mr. Scratch ask the third party powers that be to shine a light on the truth of the matter.
If both Ray A and Mr. Scratch are in agreement about letting Keene, or whoever has the power, to release the origina PM, then that would put this to rest. And I think that would be fair.
Personally, I am a critic of the church and I generally tend to agree with the critics here, but in my opinion, I feel a bit let down by Mr. Scratch on this point. I want the criticism of the church to be done on fair grounds.
If I am wrong in siding a bit more with Ray A on this one, I can accept that and I apologize, but I think an authoritative third party intervention would show that this board is the best place to be when you want to freely express your ideas.
I was banned from MAD several months ago for expressing my opinions and I feel like this board is far and away the fairest of the two. For me, resolving this scuffle between Ray A and Mr. Scratch would go a long way to maintaining that reputation.
If this is not possible, I'll live with it, but I'm curious and a tad concerned.
Keene has the power, and I have no problem with him using that power on this occasion. If Keene has the intergity, then he will re-post exactly what Scratch posted in that PM, which I also posted. Then all will see what a liar and manipulative scoundrel Scratch is.