I'm well aware of the search feature on this board and do have the ability to read the posts in chronological order including time stamps. Thanks very much. "This all started" because when josh started posting, someone around here obviously fed Scratch the "background information" and Scratch the dirt digger couldn't wait to put it up there to watch yet another public gang bang.
You are incorrect in your chronology. Scratch posted about FAIR rejecting Josh long before Josh ever arrived on this board. He was not attacking Josh with that post but rather trying to attack FAIR for rejecting him. I was actually defending FAIR in this instance by pointing out that Josh has a volatile past (which is indisputable) so it's really not possible to know exactly what occurred with FAIR. Gazelam (a believer, may I note?) agreed with me. Scratch then resurrected the thread when Josh returned. Obviously he would be interested in Josh's comments.
This is where Josh made the comment that alarmed me, and sounded very much like what he used to say frequently on Z (in fact, he said it almost every time he got in trouble with the moderators, which was frequently):
Certainly had to comment on this. While I find it funny people scower the internet for the past, I don't think anyone has any idea about my emotional well being. Certainly I have had my ups and downs, but none of you know me personally. Examining someone through broken glass can always make them look shattered. Sometimes it takes taking down the glass and just asking the person themselves.
My belief system is complicated, but no one has ever directly asked me "what do you believe anyways". People make their own theories, rather than being honest and forthright. My online personality is a combination of unbridled reaction mixed with a bit of Devil's Avocacy. I can argue for and against a lot of things, often to test my own ideas to see if they ever stick.
Trying to figure me out rather than just trying to talk to me honestly are two different animals. In all my years online, no one wanted to know me, rather everyone has wanted to demonize me, so I just play along.
This was a red flag for two reasons: one, is that it indicates a skewed perception of the world. It's a version of "everyone hates me, everyone is out to get me". That is a classic thought disorder, and one that results in a painful life. Second, I was with Josh on the fringe board when he talked a lot about his emotional issues, and I saw, with my own eyes, several caring posters try their best to help him. So I KNEW that his perception was skewed. I KNEW he was filtering information about the world through a filter that made him think "everyone wants to demonize me". Someone who thinks this way needs help. I'm not going to back down from that.
My telling Josh he needed to get help is what "started this". Here is my post that started his melt-down (he didn't appear to melt down after Gazelam commented on his apparent emotional instability, I guess it's ok to make such an observation as long as you don't tell him to get help, apparently it's the idea of "getting help" that is just beyond the pale)
My post that started the melt-down
time stamp: Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:36 pm
Josh, I am going to be momentarily very serious with you. Your perception stated here: "no one wanted to know me", "everyone has wanted to demonize me" is one big red flag, to say nothing of all your past erratic behavior. You really do need to get help, and I'm not saying this to insult you, although I realize it will probably feel that way to you.
I was very clear on why I was making this recommendation to Josh. It had nothing to do with "pro-mormon sentiments" as he and his opportunistic defender, Ray, have now tried to assert.
Now back to your comment:
I'm well aware of the search feature on this board and do have the ability to read the posts in chronological order including time stamps. Thanks very much. "This all started" because when josh started posting, someone around here obviously fed Scratch the "background information" and Scratch the dirt digger couldn't wait to put it up there to watch yet another public gang bang.
Yes, later Scratch did provide "background information" - youtube video and the house thing. But that occurred AFTER Josh started his melt-down. Josh himself has consistently blamed ME for his melt down, because I was mean enough to tell him to "get help". To defend myself against his accusation that I was just being mean, I found a past post of his that openly referred to his depression AND to the fact that many people were concerned he might harm himself. Others found other background information and shared that, too. I can't speak to their motives, but I assumed they were the same as mine, which was to demonstrate that I wasn't trying to attack him by (his words) calling him a "depressed, diabetic fool", but rather was genuinely telling him to get help because of his history and the repeated pattern he was demonstrating here.
in my opinion - you are allowing your dislike of scratch to color your perception of the chronology.