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_beastie
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Post by _beastie »

I'm well aware of the search feature on this board and do have the ability to read the posts in chronological order including time stamps. Thanks very much. "This all started" because when josh started posting, someone around here obviously fed Scratch the "background information" and Scratch the dirt digger couldn't wait to put it up there to watch yet another public gang bang.


You are incorrect in your chronology. Scratch posted about FAIR rejecting Josh long before Josh ever arrived on this board. He was not attacking Josh with that post but rather trying to attack FAIR for rejecting him. I was actually defending FAIR in this instance by pointing out that Josh has a volatile past (which is indisputable) so it's really not possible to know exactly what occurred with FAIR. Gazelam (a believer, may I note?) agreed with me. Scratch then resurrected the thread when Josh returned. Obviously he would be interested in Josh's comments.

This is where Josh made the comment that alarmed me, and sounded very much like what he used to say frequently on Z (in fact, he said it almost every time he got in trouble with the moderators, which was frequently):

Certainly had to comment on this. While I find it funny people scower the internet for the past, I don't think anyone has any idea about my emotional well being. Certainly I have had my ups and downs, but none of you know me personally. Examining someone through broken glass can always make them look shattered. Sometimes it takes taking down the glass and just asking the person themselves.

My belief system is complicated, but no one has ever directly asked me "what do you believe anyways". People make their own theories, rather than being honest and forthright. My online personality is a combination of unbridled reaction mixed with a bit of Devil's Avocacy. I can argue for and against a lot of things, often to test my own ideas to see if they ever stick.

Trying to figure me out rather than just trying to talk to me honestly are two different animals. In all my years online, no one wanted to know me, rather everyone has wanted to demonize me, so I just play along.


This was a red flag for two reasons: one, is that it indicates a skewed perception of the world. It's a version of "everyone hates me, everyone is out to get me". That is a classic thought disorder, and one that results in a painful life. Second, I was with Josh on the fringe board when he talked a lot about his emotional issues, and I saw, with my own eyes, several caring posters try their best to help him. So I KNEW that his perception was skewed. I KNEW he was filtering information about the world through a filter that made him think "everyone wants to demonize me". Someone who thinks this way needs help. I'm not going to back down from that.

My telling Josh he needed to get help is what "started this". Here is my post that started his melt-down (he didn't appear to melt down after Gazelam commented on his apparent emotional instability, I guess it's ok to make such an observation as long as you don't tell him to get help, apparently it's the idea of "getting help" that is just beyond the pale)

My post that started the melt-down
time stamp: Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:36 pm

Josh, I am going to be momentarily very serious with you. Your perception stated here: "no one wanted to know me", "everyone has wanted to demonize me" is one big red flag, to say nothing of all your past erratic behavior. You really do need to get help, and I'm not saying this to insult you, although I realize it will probably feel that way to you.


I was very clear on why I was making this recommendation to Josh. It had nothing to do with "pro-mormon sentiments" as he and his opportunistic defender, Ray, have now tried to assert.


Now back to your comment:
I'm well aware of the search feature on this board and do have the ability to read the posts in chronological order including time stamps. Thanks very much. "This all started" because when josh started posting, someone around here obviously fed Scratch the "background information" and Scratch the dirt digger couldn't wait to put it up there to watch yet another public gang bang.


Yes, later Scratch did provide "background information" - youtube video and the house thing. But that occurred AFTER Josh started his melt-down. Josh himself has consistently blamed ME for his melt down, because I was mean enough to tell him to "get help". To defend myself against his accusation that I was just being mean, I found a past post of his that openly referred to his depression AND to the fact that many people were concerned he might harm himself. Others found other background information and shared that, too. I can't speak to their motives, but I assumed they were the same as mine, which was to demonstrate that I wasn't trying to attack him by (his words) calling him a "depressed, diabetic fool", but rather was genuinely telling him to get help because of his history and the repeated pattern he was demonstrating here.

in my opinion - you are allowing your dislike of scratch to color your perception of the chronology.
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Post by _jskains »

This is where Josh made the comment that alarmed me, and sounded very much like what he used to say frequently on Z (in fact, he said it almost every time he got in trouble with the moderators, which was frequently):


Oh my lord. What a bunch of bull. I was not constantly in trouble with the moderators. You seriously need to get over yourself.

This was a red flag for two reasons: one, is that it indicates a skewed perception of the world. It's a version of "everyone hates me, everyone is out to get me". That is a classic thought disorder, and one that results in a painful life. Second, I was with Josh on the fringe board when he talked a lot about his emotional issues, and I saw, with my own eyes, several caring posters try their best to help him. So I KNEW that his perception was skewed. I KNEW he was filtering information about the world through a filter that made him think "everyone wants to demonize me". Someone who thinks this way needs help. I'm not going to back down from that.

I thought you said you were not analyzing me? And you DO seem to have ODC. You are so obsessed with a line that you keep screwing up and pulling out of context. I know YOU think that Mormon Message Boards are YOUR entire world, but not mine. And in proper context, that statement is much smaller than you constantly try to make it.

My telling Josh he needed to get help is what "started this". Here is my post that started his melt-down (he didn't appear to melt down after Gazelam commented on his apparent emotional instability, I guess it's ok to make such an observation as long as you don't tell him to get help, apparently it's the idea of "getting help" that is just beyond the pale)


Melt down? Sorry, honey.. You aren't THAT important in my world view.

You really need to stop the armchair pop psychology, Dr. Crackerjack. You suck at it.

JMS
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Post by _Jersey Girl »

jskains wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:josh,

In spite of various points of disagreement between yourself and I over the years, for what it may be worth to you here, you were treated like total s*** on this board by a small group of humorless and unwelcoming posters who apparently live for the public feeding frenzy.

If you change your mind, hop on up to the Celestial and I'll check around to see if you've got something of interest to me to going on there.

LSD/Jersey Girl


While I think there would be some who are interesting to dialog with, I am disappointed in how much I am letting it get to me. The problem is there are two faces to the issue. There is the ones looking in my direction, who seem not to step back and look at the issue, assuming I am just a mentally ill overreactor. Then there is my seat. In my seat, I am responding to more and more posts of people who want to jump in on this and take another shot. It's overwhelming.

Look at Pokanator's comment. It was so uncalled for an unnessesary. But it was a clear and nasty shot across my bow. Do you think Beastie considers that?

If I was just reacting to Beastie, then I could see "mental illness". You could say "quit playing victim". But it is a different story when it is Mr. Scratchy, Dr. Crackerjack, and the entire line of side buddies who are not only going for my throat, but dragging up the past and trying to string to together to make me look as bad as they can. Look how far it got. Now we got really random accusation that I think that $500,000 houses are trash or that I am a diabetic. It got weird. But do you think Beastie in all her "empathy" stepped back and said "Gee, I wouldn't react to well if I had a bunch of people coming after me all at the same time". Matter-of-a-fact, she just made excuses for it.

But then there is the bigger problem. Some LDS DO go too far. There are a few people on this board I read that I think went WAY over the line on their comments. But I got lumped in automatically.

When someone creates a perception (OJ Did it), all evidence points to their guilt, even if it is a stretch. Some people here got fed from the likes of Beastie. So they overanalyzed my comments to match her public conclusion. That is why what Beastie did was unfair. Dragging up the past, then trying to make it match what I was saying here so she could feel good about her unnessesary call that I get help. It creates a board-wide psychosis that gets out of hand. HUNDREDS of people post video blogs, none of which get labelled as Mentally Ill. I even got some private comments that actually wanted to talk to me about my video. None of which thought it showed a mental illness.

I don't know. I just think ultimately everyone here is guilty. Problem is that very few people will see it that way. I am guilty for overreacting. Many here are guilty for going too far. Too bad many here can't see past their upturned noses.

JMS


Your above eval is spot on, josh. You should have been "judged" if you will, on the merit of your postings. That opportunity was lost the moment Scratch the dirt digger injected "history" here and others couldn't resist their impulse to feed off it and thwart your beginning efforts here.

Oh, I know him! Wasn't he depressed on ZLMB? Didn't have have a personal crisis? Remember when he said this 6 years ago? Whooo hooo! Well let me tell ya!

Who the hell cares?

Personally, I don't give a damn about what you said years ago. You turned up here in the last few days, I want to know what's new with you and what you've got on your mind to discuss now. Somewhere in the crowd, there was another small group of posters who welcomed you.

Those who did otherwise do not allow you the same growth process that they claim for themselves. How enlightened is that, eh?

I think I'll let this be my last comment on all of this. As I implied earlier, I just extracted myself from a similar situation and I really want to detox from this kind of thing.

Now, what about that new baby on the way? Perhaps we could discuss some parenting issues in the Celestial Forum?

My best advice to you as someone who knows: Don't swim in toxic waters with bottom feeders, Josh.

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Post by _Jersey Girl »

beastie wrote:
I'm well aware of the search feature on this board and do have the ability to read the posts in chronological order including time stamps. Thanks very much. "This all started" because when josh started posting, someone around here obviously fed Scratch the "background information" and Scratch the dirt digger couldn't wait to put it up there to watch yet another public gang bang.


You are incorrect in your chronology. Scratch posted about FAIR rejecting Josh long before Josh ever arrived on this board. He was not attacking Josh with that post but rather trying to attack FAIR for rejecting him. I was actually defending FAIR in this instance by pointing out that Josh has a volatile past (which is indisputable) so it's really not possible to know exactly what occurred with FAIR. Gazelam (a believer, may I note?) agreed with me. Scratch then resurrected the thread when Josh returned. Obviously he would be interested in Josh's comments.

This is where Josh made the comment that alarmed me, and sounded very much like what he used to say frequently on Z (in fact, he said it almost every time he got in trouble with the moderators, which was frequently):

Certainly had to comment on this. While I find it funny people scower the internet for the past, I don't think anyone has any idea about my emotional well being. Certainly I have had my ups and downs, but none of you know me personally. Examining someone through broken glass can always make them look shattered. Sometimes it takes taking down the glass and just asking the person themselves.

My belief system is complicated, but no one has ever directly asked me "what do you believe anyways". People make their own theories, rather than being honest and forthright. My online personality is a combination of unbridled reaction mixed with a bit of Devil's Avocacy. I can argue for and against a lot of things, often to test my own ideas to see if they ever stick.

Trying to figure me out rather than just trying to talk to me honestly are two different animals. In all my years online, no one wanted to know me, rather everyone has wanted to demonize me, so I just play along.


This was a red flag for two reasons: one, is that it indicates a skewed perception of the world. It's a version of "everyone hates me, everyone is out to get me". That is a classic thought disorder, and one that results in a painful life. Second, I was with Josh on the fringe board when he talked a lot about his emotional issues, and I saw, with my own eyes, several caring posters try their best to help him. So I KNEW that his perception was skewed. I KNEW he was filtering information about the world through a filter that made him think "everyone wants to demonize me". Someone who thinks this way needs help. I'm not going to back down from that.

My telling Josh he needed to get help is what "started this". Here is my post that started his melt-down (he didn't appear to melt down after Gazelam commented on his apparent emotional instability, I guess it's ok to make such an observation as long as you don't tell him to get help, apparently it's the idea of "getting help" that is just beyond the pale)

My post that started the melt-down
time stamp: Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:36 pm

Josh, I am going to be momentarily very serious with you. Your perception stated here: "no one wanted to know me", "everyone has wanted to demonize me" is one big red flag, to say nothing of all your past erratic behavior. You really do need to get help, and I'm not saying this to insult you, although I realize it will probably feel that way to you.


I was very clear on why I was making this recommendation to Josh. It had nothing to do with "pro-mormon sentiments" as he and his opportunistic defender, Ray, have now tried to assert.


Now back to your comment:
I'm well aware of the search feature on this board and do have the ability to read the posts in chronological order including time stamps. Thanks very much. "This all started" because when josh started posting, someone around here obviously fed Scratch the "background information" and Scratch the dirt digger couldn't wait to put it up there to watch yet another public gang bang.


Yes, later Scratch did provide "background information" - youtube video and the house thing. But that occurred AFTER Josh started his melt-down. Josh himself has consistently blamed ME for his melt down, because I was mean enough to tell him to "get help". To defend myself against his accusation that I was just being mean, I found a past post of his that openly referred to his depression AND to the fact that many people were concerned he might harm himself. Others found other background information and shared that, too. I can't speak to their motives, but I assumed they were the same as mine, which was to demonstrate that I wasn't trying to attack him by (his words) calling him a "depressed, diabetic fool", but rather was genuinely telling him to get help because of his history and the repeated pattern he was demonstrating here.

in my opinion - you are allowing your dislike of scratch to color your perception of the chronology.


Holy hell, beastie. The part I bolded. Are you talking about the volunteer go screw yourself thread?
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Post by _beastie »

Oh my lord. What a bunch of bull. I was not constantly in trouble with the moderators. You seriously need to get over yourself.


Josh, I was one of the moderators. Yes, you got in trouble a lot. Is your memory that short?

I thought you said you were not analyzing me? And you DO seem to have ODC. You are so obsessed with a line that you keep screwing up and pulling out of context.


I keep referring to that line because THAT is what triggered my "get help" comment to you, NOT the fact that you're Mormon.



Melt down? Sorry, honey.. You aren't THAT important in my world view.


Then why do you keep mentioning ME as the trigger???

Do I really need to go back and find all your posts wherein you blamed ME for starting this all?
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Post by _beastie »

Holy hell, beastie. Are you talking about the volunteer go screw yourself thread?


Yes. That is the thread where I told Josh to "get help", which, in his words, is the equivalent of calling him a "depressed, diabetic fool".

Josh now denies that my telling him to get help was the trigger for this whole episode. But he repeatedly made clear it was.
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Post by _asbestosman »

jskains wrote:I just think ultimately everyone here is guilty. Problem is that very few people will see it that way. I am guilty for overreacting. Many here are guilty for going too far. Too bad many here can't see past their upturned noses.

What am I guilty of Josh? What is Jersey Girl/LSD guilty of?
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Post by _jskains »

beastie wrote:
Josh, I was one of the moderators. Yes, you got in trouble a lot. Is your memory that short?


No, but your capacity to exadurate is well oiled.

I keep referring to that line because THAT is what triggered my "get help" comment to you, NOT the fact that you're Mormon.


Wow.. And to think.. Psychologists use so much more time in trying to see if someone has a mental disorder. And all you need is a line... You missed your calling.

Then why do you keep mentioning ME as the trigger???

Do I really need to go back and find all your posts wherein you blamed ME for starting this all?


All I said is you pushed the hardest. You and Scratchy are two peas in a pod. You seek dirt, you found dirt, you filled it with water, and you tried to shove my face in it.

Now quit the whining and start taking SOME responsibility for your own actions.

JMS
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Post by _Jersey Girl »

beastie wrote:
Holy hell, beastie. Are you talking about the volunteer go screw yourself thread?


Yes. That is the thread where I told Josh to "get help", which, in his words, is the equivalent of calling him a "depressed, diabetic fool".

Josh now denies that my telling him to get help was the trigger for this whole episode. But he repeatedly made clear it was.



Now I'm getting pissed and aggravated. This is what you stated about the screw yourself thread:

You are incorrect in your chronology. Scratch posted about FAIR rejecting Josh long before Josh ever arrived on this board.


For the love of Mike, beastie! Look at THE DATE of Scratch's OP and then look at THE DATE of josh's first post.

Look at those and tell me again if you think that Scratch posted about FAIR rejecting Josh long before Josh ever arrived on this board.

Did I miss something or did you? Go ahead and look, beastie. Take five seconds of your time to search what I just suggested.
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Post by _jskains »

asbestosman wrote:
jskains wrote:I just think ultimately everyone here is guilty. Problem is that very few people will see it that way. I am guilty for overreacting. Many here are guilty for going too far. Too bad many here can't see past their upturned noses.

What am I guilty of Josh? What is Jersey Girl/LSD guilty of?


*Sigh*.. Ok....... I give up... Not fun when everyone takes things out of context..

JMS
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