Jskains Lectures Us on Youtube

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beastie wrote:
- you just have to express one pro-Mormon sentiment and you'll be advised to "get professional help".


No, what you have to do is express a sentiment such as "in all my years online, no one has every tried to know me" and "everyone demonizes" me to be told to get help.

There are posters here who express pro-mormon sentiments and are not advised to get help, because they aren't expressing ideas that demonstrate a troubling, skewed perspective about the world around them.

But I wouldn't expect you to grasp this distinction.


Gotta agree here. I have expressed pro Mormon ideas and never been told to get help.
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amantha wrote:
Arnold Friend wrote:
amantha wrote:
Ray A wrote:
amantha wrote:I hope Mr. Scratch gives his permission in this instance as you have done. I think it is premature, however, to question Keene's integrity. Taunting the moderator is not a good way to create good will.


Constantly taunting Mormons isn't a good way to create goodwill, either.


You're right. I would like to see Keene release the PM. Let's just be respectful until he releases the information, then we can question his integrity.


Hi there, amantha. I too have lurked for quite a while. to be honest, I don't like what's being asked for here. People like you and Ray are asking the moderaters to act the way that FAIR mods act; snooping around in peoples private message boxes and whatnot. I thought this board was created precisely to go against such things.


I agree with you that snooping is a bad idea. I just want to know if anyone is lying. If neither of them has anything to hide then it wouldn't be snooping to give permission to an independent third party to provide the rest of us with the truth. I like knowing the truth. I am not siding with Ray, but Ray is the only one who is apparently willing to have it put up for everyone to see. That says something to me. If Ray is just throwing out puffery for the effect, then we could find that out real quickly and that would go along way to correctly framing one or the other party. If Ray is lying then he'll have a hard time living this one down. If Mr. Scratch is lying then I'm at least glad to know whose words I can put stock in around here.

I like this place and I want people to be truthful here.


Wanna know whose words you can "put stock in"? Here is more of Ray's PMing to me:

Ray A wrote:If you are prepared to tell me more about your grievances, and your background, I am prepared to listen, and keep it private. I have NO correspondence with DCP, and haven't for a long time. But I'm genuinely interested in learning what motivates you. And I DO NOT share the content of private emails.
(caps ibid)

Obviously, he DOES "share the content of private emails." Ray tried very hard to get me to fork over private information, and I am very glad that I didn't take him at his word, since he clearly cannot be trusted---his volatile temper prevents him from acting with integrity, and frankly, I think he owes me an apology.

And no, amantha, I will not be "giving permission" for the moderators to go snooping around in my PMs. I don't want to put Keene nor Dr. Shades in that position merely so you, Ray A, and DCP can know who is lying. Sorry! Feel free to believe Ray if you'd like. If you think that this damages my credibility beyond what Ray and DCP have done, then I guess I will just have to live with that.
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guy sajer wrote:For what it's worth, I think that telling someone he "need professional help," can certainly be intended as an insult, and I'm not sure that all those recommending this are saying it only out of their concern for jskains. (I haven't watched the you-tube clip, so I cannot comment on it.).


I can only speak for myself in this instance. I've watched Josh over the years on several boards and never tangled with him personally, or had any sort of unpleasant exchange. I am not his enemy. I do believe he is very much in need of professional (by which I mean medical) help, which seems to be long overdue. I say that only out of concern. He has a several-year pattern of this behavior on various boards.

I had never seen him on video until the youtube clip, and there were things in the video that confirmed this recommendation.

Unfortunately, it's the "nature of the beast," if you will, that there is really no diplomatic way to tell someone on an Internet discussion board that they are in need of help, and it's not generally regarded as an act of kindness or concern, even when it is.

Personally, I feel very sorry for Josh. He seems incredibly lonely, and wants to be accepted, if not here, somewhere. When he lashes out he pretty much guarantees that that is not going to happen, but venting done, he moves on. It's possible that even that small amount of attention, and even the venting, is therapeutic for him, but I couldn't say.

Discussion boards are crazy places. Cries for help are frequently misunderstood as something else.
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the road to hana wrote:
guy sajer wrote:For what it's worth, I think that telling someone he "need professional help," can certainly be intended as an insult, and I'm not sure that all those recommending this are saying it only out of their concern for jskains. (I haven't watched the you-tube clip, so I cannot comment on it.).


I can only speak for myself in this instance. I've watched Josh over the years on several boards and never tangled with him personally, or had any sort of unpleasant exchange. I am not his enemy. I do believe he is very much in need of professional (by which I mean medical) help, which seems to be long overdue. I say that only out of concern. He has a several-year pattern of this behavior on various boards.

I had never seen him on video until the youtube clip, and there were things in the video that confirmed this recommendation.

Unfortunately, it's the "nature of the beast," if you will, that there is really no diplomatic way to tell someone on an Internet discussion board that they are in need of help, and it's not generally regarded as an act of kindness or concern, even when it is.

Personally, I feel very sorry for Josh. He seems incredibly lonely, and wants to be accepted, if not here, somewhere. When he lashes out he pretty much guarantees that that is not going to happen, but venting done, he moves on. It's possible that even that small amount of attention, and even the venting, is therapeutic for him, but I couldn't say.

Discussion boards are crazy places. Cries for help are frequently misunderstood as something else.


Oh my lord, this post stinks of self importance and pure arrogance. What a ass. How easy is it to just declare things? You saw so much in my video... Most just saw a video commentary.... A COMMON THING ON YOUTUBE..

I see from your post, you are a closet homosexual with phediphile tendencies. And this recent post just confirmed it. You don't understand, but the way he words things indicates as much.

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It sounds to me like Scratch was basically blackmailed. I would advise Scratch to be a little more careful when it comes to answering PMs. I only answer PM's that are clearly friendly and emails have to make it clear the person is downright my buddy. It is a scary world, as DCP pointed out, and it's unbelievable with the risk of frivolous lawsuits and so on that some continue to mistake foolhardiness for great onymous bravery.

I would say based on the information, it's probably 40% chance Scratch is lying and 60% chance Ray is. I admit Scratch is my friend, but I'm willing to believe it's possible he has faults. It's interesting how at least one supporter of Ray in this just assumes without question or any evidence that Scratch is lying. If we could just isolate the activity to this one incident, I'd like -- merely out of curiosity -- to see who manipulated the emails. The only problem is, moderators are human too. And if they're going to go out of their way to hack the board in order to find the answer for something this trivial, then they now have the power for the future. Then we'll be turning to the mods in the future for public answers to private disputes. not sure i want to go down that path. and further, once the work has been done, then the mods (not saying the current ones will, but we're all human) could simply sometimes take a peek just for their own amusement.
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jskains wrote:I see from your post, you are a closet homosexual with phediphile tendencies.


I'm afraid to even ask what a "phediphile" is.
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Yeah, Gad, you're probably right. Although, out of curiosity, I'd like to know who is lying, it's one of those slippery slopes the mods shouldn't hop on.

Beside, once I realized the only thing Ray was accusing Scratch of changing was deleting the swearing, I pretty much lost interest. Who the heck cares whether or not Scratch swore. Kind of like the right wingers making hay over Clinton lying over a blow job. Who the heck cares whether or not he got a blow job, and who the heck cares if he lied about it. The vast majority of men who get blow jobs from a person OTHER than their wife are going to lie about it. It didn't change anything significant. Likewise if scratch did lie about the cuss words. Who the heck cares.

Yes, I know those who care insist it's about whether or not the person will lie, but as you pointed out before, everyone is willing to lie about something, including the "so-called* saints" among us.

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the road to hana wrote:
jskains wrote:I see from your post, you are a closet homosexual with phediphile tendencies.


I'm afraid to even ask what a "phediphile" is.


Usually when someone doesn't have a good retort, they resort to attacks on spelling. It's a sign of a sinking ship.

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jskains wrote:
the road to hana wrote:
jskains wrote:I see from your post, you are a closet homosexual with phediphile tendencies.


I'm afraid to even ask what a "phediphile" is.


Usually when someone doesn't have a good retort, they resort to attacks on spelling. It's a sign of a sinking ship.

JMS


I figured it was someone who sleeps with Ph.D.s.

You got me. Zing and double-zing.
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the road to hana wrote:
jskains wrote:
the road to hana wrote:
jskains wrote:I see from your post, you are a closet homosexual with phediphile tendencies.


I'm afraid to even ask what a "phediphile" is.


Usually when someone doesn't have a good retort, they resort to attacks on spelling. It's a sign of a sinking ship.

JMS


I figured it was someone who sleeps with Ph.D.s.

You got me. Zing and double-zing.


Oh, but you got me first remember? I am a lonely, depressed diabetic psychopath that is desprate for attention and acceptance. And you figured that all out from a video commentary on a site usually used for such activities..

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