Mesoamerican clues...

[_Inconceivable]

This magazine has an interesting tidbit from time to time. I subscribed to it for several years while a TBM. I've pretty much lost interest in the whole Mezoamerican subject now.

http://ancientamerican.com/

They'd dig up old newspaper articles about things the Smithsonian has shelved over the years etc.

[_beastie]

I've seen suspicious articles from that particular source. By "suspicious" I mean more inclined to accept "alternative" theories without sound backing.

[_Inconceivable]

I've seen suspicious articles from that particular source. By "suspicious" I mean more inclined to accept "alternative" theories without sound backing.

Yeah, they'll publish an article with artifact photos/facsimilies that occasionally end up being hoaxes or half truths.

I cut my subscription after getting tired of their carrot/stick "Burrows Cave" reports. Plus, at the time they did not always tow the LDS line even though the staff is partially composed of Mormons.

[_charity]

TD,

You may be interested in the story of the discovery and validation of the Grolier Codex, which was originally viewed as a fake, until it was shown to contain information about Maya concepts of the planet Venus that could not have been known at the time it was discovered.

http://www.famsi.org/mayawriting/codice ... r_kerr.pdf

Seems to answer Truth Dancer's question. Not much information, actually none, about what she asked about in materials from that time.

[_truth dancer]

Hi Charity...

I'm sorry but I am unclear ....

Seems to answer Truth Dancer's question.

Yes, there were some interesting facts.

Not much information, actually none, about what she asked about in materials from that time.

The folded screen book painted and coated in stucco is interesting.

The astronomical knowledge is certainly amazing.

The Venus calendars were new to me.

The dyes and paint used at the time was not on my list.

I also had not mentioned the unique counting system.

I thought the article was quite interesting actually. And.. fabulous photographs!

~dancer~

[_beastie]

Seems to answer Truth Dancer's question. Not much information, actually none, about what she asked about in materials from that time.

Like TD, I am totally confused by your response.

[_charity]

Seems to answer Truth Dancer's question. Not much information, actually none, about what she asked about in materials from that time.

Like TD, I am totally confused by your response.

Several years ago on ZLMB and again on FAIR, I started a little list of things that I had come across in my limited reading of Mesoamerica that would give us clues that a document was written during the Book of Mormon timeframe....
This thread is started to compile another more complete and accurate list...

A few things to start:

Maise, jacquars, cacao, turtles, the Mayan calendars and astronomical understandings, obsidian, jade, cotton, Macaw, natural wells, dear, the ball-game, ceramic pottery, chile peppers, squash, papaya, breadnut fruit, beans, mango, turkeys, peccuary, ( think they ate dogs as well?) manioc, limestone, beans, fig tree bark books, terra cotta figurines, tattooing and scarring, poisonous snakes, bull-sharks, crocodiles, tapirs, monkeys, river transportation, rainy season, Mesoamerican names (is there a list of known names anywhere)?

I didn't see anything on TD's list in the codex. Yes, beautiful pictures.

[_beastie]

I didn't see anything on TD's list in the codex. Yes, beautiful pictures.

Her list wasn't meant to be comprehensive, charity. There are many, many elements important in Mesoamerica that could be included in any text from the area.

[_charity]

I didn't see anything on TD's list in the codex. Yes, beautiful pictures.

Her list wasn't meant to be comprehensive, charity. There are many, many elements important in Mesoamerica that could be included in any text from the area.

Do you mean to tell me that not one of you was just waiting to say something about, "If the Book of Mormon was historic then we ought to see at least ONE thing off this list mentioned in it."

[_beastie]

Do you mean to tell me that not one of you was just waiting to say something about, "If the Book of Mormon was historic then we ought to see at least ONE thing off this list mentioned in it."

You ignored some important words in her post:

It got me thinking, (again), of the many things we might expect to find in a book describing Mesoamerica two thousand years ago.

Several years ago on ZLMB and again on FAIR, I started a little list of things that I had come across in my limited reading of Mesoamerica that would give us clues that a document was written during the Book of Mormon timeframe....

This thread is started to compile another more complete and accurate list...

A few things to start:

TD, in no way, ever stated or implied that her list was comprehensive in some way, and that these specific items HAD to be mentioned. They are just some of MANY.

The problem for the Book of Mormon isn't that it doesn't mention the ones on TD's list in specific, but rather it mentions NOTHING that gives us information about mesoamerica.

Yes, I know apologists will point to X, Y, and Z, but X, Y and Z are always fairly generic and often very common in many cultures. And, more importantly, X, Y, and Z were part of Joseph Smith' culture's mythology for ancient America.