Gad calls me a bigot

[_jskains]

Yes, I am tolerant of the group NAMBLA. I am concerned with any illegal actions as it relates to pedophilia. Yet, I'm not frothing at the mouth hating them and their message. There are many groups that advocate policies that are against the status quo and are currently illegal -- I am not against them having the right to organize and share their message.

So I would not have a right to question their ideas? If I question their ideas, I would be a bigot, right?

JMS

Of course the questioning of another's ideas, propositions, policies, philosophies, etc... does not make one a bigot. It is the inability to question your own that may make one a bigot. :)

But is it not true that if someone opens some questions and ideas that are counter to pro-homosexual ideology, they get automatically marked as a bigot?

A bit like if a black man were denied a job and pulled the race card, it is hard to fight against it?

JMS

I didn't label you a bigot, nor did I see where Gad accused you of bigotry. I can't speak as to whether you are or are not a bigot. I think good people can disagree and not be bigoted. Especially when it comes to policy issues.

I am not familiar with pro-homosexual ideology, sorry. Would that be the premise that all citizens of our republic share equal rights under the law and that the government should not give favored status to some groups over others? There are many different reasons one may wish to deny equality without necessarily being bigoted, I suppose. Although, I'm having a hard time coming up with one. For me, personally if I see someone showing disdain or hate toward an entire group of people I label that person a bigot.

I don't know why you're asking me these questions. I certainly don't know why I keep answering. :)

I don't know.... I'm bored... Waiting for a client to break their computer.. :)

JMS

[_Moniker]

Yes, I am tolerant of the group NAMBLA. I am concerned with any illegal actions as it relates to pedophilia. Yet, I'm not frothing at the mouth hating them and their message. There are many groups that advocate policies that are against the status quo and are currently illegal -- I am not against them having the right to organize and share their message.

So I would not have a right to question their ideas? If I question their ideas, I would be a bigot, right?

JMS

Of course the questioning of another's ideas, propositions, policies, philosophies, etc... does not make one a bigot. It is the inability to question your own that may make one a bigot. :)

But is it not true that if someone opens some questions and ideas that are counter to pro-homosexual ideology, they get automatically marked as a bigot?

A bit like if a black man were denied a job and pulled the race card, it is hard to fight against it?

JMS

I didn't label you a bigot, nor did I see where Gad accused you of bigotry. I can't speak as to whether you are or are not a bigot. I think good people can disagree and not be bigoted. Especially when it comes to policy issues.

I am not familiar with pro-homosexual ideology, sorry. Would that be the premise that all citizens of our republic share equal rights under the law and that the government should not give favored status to some groups over others? There are many different reasons one may wish to deny equality without necessarily being bigoted, I suppose. Although, I'm having a hard time coming up with one. For me, personally if I see someone showing disdain or hate toward an entire group of people I label that person a bigot.

I don't know why you're asking me these questions. I certainly don't know why I keep answering. :)

I don't know.... I'm bored... Waiting for a client to break their computer.. :)

JMS

I have a broken computer! But alas I'm not your client.

:)

[_jskains]

Yes, I am tolerant of the group NAMBLA. I am concerned with any illegal actions as it relates to pedophilia. Yet, I'm not frothing at the mouth hating them and their message. There are many groups that advocate policies that are against the status quo and are currently illegal -- I am not against them having the right to organize and share their message.

So I would not have a right to question their ideas? If I question their ideas, I would be a bigot, right?

JMS

Of course the questioning of another's ideas, propositions, policies, philosophies, etc... does not make one a bigot. It is the inability to question your own that may make one a bigot. :)

But is it not true that if someone opens some questions and ideas that are counter to pro-homosexual ideology, they get automatically marked as a bigot?

A bit like if a black man were denied a job and pulled the race card, it is hard to fight against it?

JMS

I didn't label you a bigot, nor did I see where Gad accused you of bigotry. I can't speak as to whether you are or are not a bigot. I think good people can disagree and not be bigoted. Especially when it comes to policy issues.

I am not familiar with pro-homosexual ideology, sorry. Would that be the premise that all citizens of our republic share equal rights under the law and that the government should not give favored status to some groups over others? There are many different reasons one may wish to deny equality without necessarily being bigoted, I suppose. Although, I'm having a hard time coming up with one. For me, personally if I see someone showing disdain or hate toward an entire group of people I label that person a bigot.

I don't know why you're asking me these questions. I certainly don't know why I keep answering. :)

I don't know.... I'm bored... Waiting for a client to break their computer.. :)

JMS

I have a broken computer! But alas I'm not your client.

:)

You could call Geek Squad, but interestingly I have cleaned up more of their messes than I can count.

Unfortunatly we try to avoid the residential market. We do IT outsourcing.

JMS

[_guy sajer]

Someone hateful, or intolerant, of a certain lifestyle (or group of people) is a bigot. If that accurately describes you then you are indeed a bigot.

So are you tolerant of the group NAMBLA?

JMS

Opposition to bigotry does not imply an obligation to be tolerant toward a group whose aim is to promote the sexual abuse and molestation of children (I know, they don't see it that way). One can oppose that which is morally wrong (note I don't mean "sinful") and still not be a bigot.

You can't really see it in that simple of terms, can you?

[_Gadianton]

jskains,

I called your arguments bigoted. And they are. Bigotry is a broad phenomena. There are millions of people in the world who no doubt have made arguments more bigoted than yours. But that doesn't negate the fact that your anti-homosexual arguments are bigotry.

[_jskains]

Someone hateful, or intolerant, of a certain lifestyle (or group of people) is a bigot. If that accurately describes you then you are indeed a bigot.

So are you tolerant of the group NAMBLA?

JMS

Opposition to bigotry does not imply an obligation to be tolerant toward a group whose aim is to promote the sexual abuse and molestation of children (I know, they don't see it that way). One can oppose that which is morally wrong (note I don't mean "sinful") and still not be a bigot.

You can't really see it in that simple of terms, can you?

That didn't make any sense. What simple terms? My point is I raised some thoughts for discussion. Rather than discuss, Gad runs to "bigot" rather than having an adult conversation. It is as pathetic as the overused term "cult".

One does not have to AGREE to everything in order to avoid being a biot. You really' can't see it in that simple of terms, can you?

JMS

[_jskains]

jskains,

I called your arguments bigoted. And they are. Bigotry is a broad phenomena. There are millions of people in the world who no doubt have made arguments more bigoted than yours. But that doesn't negate the fact that your anti-homosexual arguments are bigotry.

How are they bigotted? Because they do not match your views? Why not grow up a little and go over to the main thread and participate like an adult? Or does running to namecalling the only response you have? "Bigot!!! Bigot!!! Cult!! Cult!!! Racist!!! Racist!!!"

I mean seriously.. How immature.

What is funny is you almost are indirectly insulting people with mental disabilities..... So if I thought classifying homosexuality in a behavioral catagory like depression, that's insulting? So Depressed people are a bad group of people?

Classifying homosexuality as a genetic fault doesn't equal bigotry. If I called for homosexuals to be denied jobs or denied health care, or all be imprisoned, then we have another story. If I called for picketting homosexual funerals, that would be bigotry. But asking to explore alternative perceptions of homosexuality is NOT bigotry.

Without all the insults, I honestly ask you... Do you really need to lower yourself to such cliché responses as "bigot"?

JMS

[_asbestosman]

So if I thought classifying homosexuality in a behavioral catagory like depression, that's insulting? So Depressed people are a bad group of people?

If one were to classify various nerds (I'm a computer engineer myself) into a behavioral category like mental retardation, do you think it would be insulting--even if people think that the mentally handicapped were a good group of people?

It's always problematic when one attempts to classify or label people. It is even more problematic when one makes comparisons to groups of people who may deal with issues most would not wish to experience--even those groups consist of wonderful people.

[Guest]

Classifying homosexuality as a genetic fault doesn't equal bigotry.

Does classifying a black skin as a genetic fault bigotry? (yes)

Is classifying Down Syndrome a genetic fault bigotry? (no)

And even if some small kernel of what you said might, in the hands of someone much different than yourself, not constitute bigotry, what you said, and the horrible ignorance with which you say it, does.

(p.s. I gave you three solid paragraphs of substantial rebuttal to your silly homosexual thread, you chose to ignore it based on the first sentence. so if you want more substance, go back to that thread and read what I wrote.)

[Guest]

Someone hateful, or intolerant, of a certain lifestyle (or group of people) is a bigot. If that accurately describes you then you are indeed a bigot.

So are you tolerant of the group NAMBLA?

JMS

Opposition to bigotry does not imply an obligation to be tolerant toward a group whose aim is to promote the sexual abuse and molestation of children (I know, they don't see it that way). One can oppose that which is morally wrong (note I don't mean "sinful") and still not be a bigot.

You can't really see it in that simple of terms, can you?

I think tolerance in the case of NAMBLA would mean that you essentially put up with the fact that all groups (regardless of message) have the right under the first amendment to assemble and spread their message. This does not mean that you can't construct your own group to combat their message. This also doesn't mean that legislation should change to support their desires. People can disagree on policy, morality, and still not be bigoted. Opposing certain groups or legislation does not make one a bigot.