Gad calls me a bigot

[_Moniker]

jskains,

I called your arguments bigoted. And they are. Bigotry is a broad phenomena. There are millions of people in the world who no doubt have made arguments more bigoted than yours. But that doesn't negate the fact that your anti-homosexual arguments are bigotry.

How are they bigotted? Because they do not match your views? Why not grow up a little and go over to the main thread and participate like an adult? Or does running to namecalling the only response you have? "Bigot!!! Bigot!!! Cult!! Cult!!! Racist!!! Racist!!!"

I mean seriously.. How immature.

What is funny is you almost are indirectly insulting people with mental disabilities..... So if I thought classifying homosexuality in a behavioral catagory like depression, that's insulting? So Depressed people are a bad group of people?

Classifying homosexuality as a genetic fault doesn't equal bigotry. If I called for homosexuals to be denied jobs or denied health care, or all be imprisoned, then we have another story. If I called for picketting homosexual funerals, that would be bigotry. But asking to explore alternative perceptions of homosexuality is NOT bigotry.

Without all the insults, I honestly ask you... Do you really need to lower yourself to such cliché responses as "bigot"?

JMS

Why are you asking to explore alternative perceptions of homosexuality? For what purpose?

[_asbestosman]

Does classifying a black skin as a genetic fault bigotry? (yes)

Is classifying Down Syndrome a genetic fault bigotry? (no)

Why isn't the second a case of bigotry? In other words, what constitutes a genetic fault? I think that's pretty shaky ground--not to mention ultimately futile.

[_Moniker]

Does classifying a black skin as a genetic fault bigotry? (yes)

Is classifying Down Syndrome a genetic fault bigotry? (no)

Why isn't the second a case of bigotry? In other words, what constitutes a genetic fault? I think that's pretty shaky ground--not to mention ultimately futile.

Down Syndrome is a genetic disorder because there is an extra chromosome. Genetic disorder has a clear, defined meaning and if it fits under that heading then it is appropriate to label it as such.

[_jskains]

Classifying homosexuality as a genetic fault doesn't equal bigotry.

Does classifying a black skin as a genetic fault bigotry? (yes)

Is classifying Down Syndrome a genetic fault bigotry? (no)

And even if some small kernel of what you said might, in the hands of someone much different than yourself, not constitute bigotry, what you said, and the horrible ignorance with which you say it, does.

This is yet another well used term.. Ignorance. What about my comments are ignorant rather than simply DIFFERENT from your views? And I have yet to see you at all in the thread. I will look again.

JMS

[_jskains]

If one were to classify various nerds (I'm a computer engineer myself) into a behavioral category like mental retardation, do you think it would be insulting--even if people think that the mentally handicapped were a good group of people?

Depends. Many computer "nerds" have various disorders, which is how they get classified as nerds in the first place. Asburgers is a classic example.

Lets go down a different road. I have crossed eyes. That is due to a genetic fault. When I try to use classic 3-D glasses, they don't work. So when all the kids got to use the 3-D glasses and were "cool", "awsome", etc. etc. - I wasn't able to participate... So should 3-D glasses get banned because we don't want cross-eyed folks to feel inferior? Should we call "cross-eyed"ness a lifestyle?

JMS

[_Moniker]

If one were to classify various nerds (I'm a computer engineer myself) into a behavioral category like mental retardation, do you think it would be insulting--even if people think that the mentally handicapped were a good group of people?

Depends. Many computer "nerds" have various disorders, which is how they get classified as nerds in the first place. Asburgers is a classic example.

Lets go down a different road. I have crossed eyes. That is due to a genetic fault. When I try to use classic 3-D glasses, they don't work. So when all the kids got to use the 3-D glasses and were "cool", "awsome", etc. etc. - I wasn't able to participate... So should 3-D glasses get banned because we don't want cross-eyed folks to feel inferior? Should we call "cross-eyed"ness a lifestyle?

JMS

It is Asperger's Syndrome. Most "nerds" do not have Asperger's Syndrome. People are labeled "nerds" because there are stereotypes that people use to attempt to fit people into preconceived notions of who and what they are. This is the problem of labels. Interestingly enough those with Asperger's Syndrome are not always "nerds". :)

[_cksalmon]

Josh--

You only find here (or on any other Internet MB) what you put into it.

So what if Gad calls you a bigot? Is it true? No? Then, roundly ignore about Gad's characterization.

My own views (as an EV Christian) are condemned as infantile by lots of folks here on MDB.

So what?

If I care to participate here, I'm going to have to live with that brute fact. When I care enough to correct someone about my own personal beliefs, I do so, in a reasonable manner. If I care to participate here, and I do, it's because I find the insights of others (similar and dissimilar to me) to be worth reading and thinking about.

There're lots of pseudo-arguments and pseudo-"argmentarians" here (and everywhere else).

You might do well to pick your battles.

As it is, it seems as if almost every time you post, the IQ of the thread takes a precipitous dive--almost as if that's your intention.

Your momma in my dumpster, indeed.

I've also found that the amount of thought and time one puts into one's posts are directly reflected in the caliber of discussion generated thereby.

Why are you here?

I think if you can figure that out, you might find the board a more enjoyable, and less compulsory, venue.

My best to you.

Chris

[_jskains]

It is Asperger's Syndrome. Most "nerds" do not have Asperger's Syndrome. People are labeled "nerds" because there are stereotypes that people use to attempt to fit people into preconceived notions of who and what they are. This is the problem of labels. Interestingly enough those with Asperger's Syndrome are not always "nerds". :)

Do you feel better? That spelling correction was totally unneeded.

JMS

[_Moniker]

It is Asperger's Syndrome. Most "nerds" do not have Asperger's Syndrome. People are labeled "nerds" because there are stereotypes that people use to attempt to fit people into preconceived notions of who and what they are. This is the problem of labels. Interestingly enough those with Asperger's Syndrome are not always "nerds". :)

Do you feel better? That spelling correction was totally unneeded.

JMS

I felt pretty fine before I posted. About the same as now.

I corrected the spelling because Asperger's Syndrome is something I'm well versed in and thought I'd give the appropriate spelling since it is something that others may have interest in. I often find myself confronted with new terms and do a wiki. Hopefully others do the same as well. :)

[_jskains]

So what if Gad calls you a bigot? Is it true? No? Then, roundly ignore about Gad's characterization.

If I chose to respond to an accusation, that is what I chose..

My own views (as an EV Christian) are condemned as infantile by lots of folks here on MDB.

Well, considering how EVs treat Mormons.... Or anyone else they don't agree with....

As it is, it seems as if almost every time you post, the IQ of the thread takes a precipitous dive--almost as if that's your intention.

Pretty amazing considering how low they already are.

Your momma in my dumpster, indeed.

Certainly. It was a point. It was directed towards someone who was chasing me around acting childish. So I just played along. You have to put things in context. The theme here is you are supposed to respond at the same level you perceive the post to be. Beastie was quick to point that out. She justified the board's behavior by claiming they were only responding at the level I apparently came in at.

I started here without ANY personal attacks. The response was calling me mentally ill, idiot, etc. etc. etc.. The list goes on. So I figure why do I have to restrain myself if no one here on the board is going to. So if someone comes at me acting "combative", I'll be compative back. Beastie demands this. I'll comply.

How else would you respond to a person that keeps posting right after you "are you gone yet?" repeatedly? Act like a child, I have been told I have a right to act like a child back. I can link you to Beatie's post where that basically was the theme.

Why are you here?

Bordom.

JMS