jskains wrote:Have you seen "The Hills Have Eyes"? For entertainment, the movie includes one of these mutants who RAPES one woman while another mutant holds a gun to another woman's head while he breastfeeds off her. I do not think ANYONE needs to see that, and I see NOTHING wrong with an organization trying to tell you that such movies are unnessesary and ugly.
My reply had nothing to do with Mormon Inc. stating that a particular print or media is "unnecessary" or "ugly". The premise of the post was to show how Mormonism gains control of members by using spiritual threats. TSCC telling you not to watch "The Hills Have Eyes" due to extreme violence, nudity, scenes of rape, et all, is different than TSCC telling you not to read "No Man Knows My History" because the "spirit may be chased from the room". If you choose not to see that, fine.
Your attempt to demonize Mormonism is so strong, your blinded. Plus, I hate to tell you this, but "no watching R-rated movies" is NOT on the temple recommend interview. I have seen plenty of R-rated movies and still actively going to the temple. Guess their brainwashing mind control needs work.
And your attempts at blasting every poster on this board within your continued whining posts is so strong, you're blinded.
Yeah, I would love for you to one day just sit down and read all your posts with an open mind. And I don't blast every poster...
As for whining, I am not the one still crying over the evil Mormon, Inc. that destroyed my oh so innocent life.
truth dancer wrote:My literature class, in seventh grade included such books as, Black Like Me, The Taming of the Shrew, The Good Earth, etc. etc.
We read Animal Farm, Taming of the Shrew as well. I hope when my daughter will get to read these as well.
I think the mother, though well intended is a little naïve perhaps.
Guy above also had it correct. While we may have not made the same decision with our children, ultimately it is our responsibility and our choice to make. While I disagree, I wouldn't call it poor parenting (sorry KA!)
Ohhh yeah, and Babba Yagga great! :-) I've read that story many many times over the years!
My wife sat in on this one night and was scared herself. Actually I spelled it wrong, it was "Baba Yaga".
Now deep in this forest, as the stepmother well knew, there was a green lawn and on the lawn stood a miserable little hut on hens' legs, where lived a certain Baba Yaga, an old witch grandmother. She lived alone and none dared go near the hut, for she ate people as one eats chickens.
She was concerned my daughter might be scared. But my daughter and I talked about it, as we always do, and we talked about our feelings. And in the end she understood, in her own way, and nothing bad came about it.
When my son, who is now 21, was around 10 or 11, he wanted to watch the Nightmare on Elm Street series.
So, what we did was let him watch the shows on the Discovery Channel, etc., on how the movies were made. When he saw Robert Englund being made up, it made him realize it was all make-believe. He really enjoyed those movies.
He actually watches some now that I don't want to watch.
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dartagnan wrote:The concept of brainwashing has been discredited.
It doesn't exist.
The jury's still out. There are some scholars who repudiate the concept. Others defend it. I am inclined to think that brainwashing, which is generally used as a synonym for "coercive persuasion", is quite real. I would cite the LRA as an example.
At eighteen I was very shy, very depressed and had a lot of anxiety. I did not want to go on a mission I did not know how to explain this to people. I had never seen anyone explain to someone in the church that they did not want to go on a mission. I did not know how it was done. I did'New Testament know how to live in a ward without going on a mission. I did not know how to approach a life without going on a mission. This was 1980 and 1981. The Church talks about free agency but where coersion is used there isn't any free agency. I always said that going on a mission should be as sacred as voting. It's sort of impolite to ask a person who you voted for as that is a very personal decision. But in the Church you really don't have things that are personal. You need to share it with everyone whether it be in fast and testimony meeting or meeting with your Bishop. You see the Bishop likely had his personal boundaries violated when he was a youth by Priesthood holders and so he will do it to other youth and they will do it to other youth until finally some one says enough and puts a stop to it. Just because you speak in a low soft voice doesn't mean you get to know everything about a persons life. I'm sure prosecutors in the inquisition spoke in a low soft voice. To speak in a low, soft voice and withhold history is even more depressing.
I think the average TBM would find this mother's behavior (in the OP) extreme. Most of us were TBMs, and we all knew people like this mother in our wards. We called them Nazi-Mormons. One of the signs that you are a Nazi-Mormon is you screen Judy Blume books.
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thestyleguy wrote:At eighteen I was very shy, very depressed and had a lot of anxiety. I did not want to go on a mission I did not know how to explain this to people. I had never seen anyone explain to someone in the church that they did not want to go on a mission. I did not know how it was done. I did'New Testament know how to live in a ward without going on a mission. I did not know how to approach a life without going on a mission.
This is the problem with the cookie-cutter approach the church takes. Missionary work is door to door sales. Really that's all it is. Some people are cut out for that type of work. Others are not. When I was 18 I knew I was not cut out to sell religion door to door. I chose not to go on a mission. Fortunately this was in 1990, so the "every male member must go on a mission" doctrine was fading, but there was a lot of pressure on me to go. Missionary work should not be coerced because people should decide for themselves what they want to do between 19 and 21.
"We of this Church do not rely on any man-made statement concerning the nature of Deity. Our knowledge comes directly from the personal experience of Joseph Smith." - Gordon B. Hinckley
"It's wrong to criticize leaders of the Mormon Church even if the criticism is true." - Dallin H. Oaks
SatanWasSetUp wrote:I think the average TBM would find this mother's behavior (in the OP) extreme. Most of us were TBMs, and we all knew people like this mother in our wards. We called them Nazi-Mormons. One of the signs that you are a Nazi-Mormon is you screen Judy Blume books.
LOL : that's too funny! I'm going to walk across the street and see that movie in an hour. Yahoo critics gave it a B-.
The jury's still out. There are some scholars who repudiate the concept. Others defend it. I am inclined to think that brainwashing, which is generally used as a synonym for "coercive persuasion", is quite real. I would cite the LRA as an example.
I believe Mormons are conditioned, especially as children. But "brainwashing" is an irresponsible term to use I think, because it implies that someone has the power to do something to you that would erase all your presuppositions and implant new ones against your will.
This is myth. One cannot name a single example in history where this has taken place.
People who become persuaded allow the persuasion to happen. It remains a choice of their own. Nobody is forced to believe anything. In this sense, "brainwashing" is really a myth and most psychologists today reject it.
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Wow, you should be a prophet. I couldn't pull that out of the story.
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Scratch wrote:She doesn't say that anywhere. She says that the daughter could "decide" if she wanted to read the book, but that is very different from being allowed to read the book.
Come on, Scratch. You're really splitting hairs with this one. If the mother was not going to allow the daughter to read the book from the get-go, then the story would have had no impact. Again, the whole point of the story was the fact that the daughter chose of her own volition not to read the book. From a Mormon perspective, it's a testimony of her daughter's ability to "make the right choice." In order for the story to have impact, the mother would have had to have intended to allow her daughter to read the book if she had chosen to.
The fact that you don't think that she intended to allow her daughter to read the book at all does indicate that you think the mother was lying.
