Which way did they go Joe?

[_charity]

I'd like to see those journals. I wonder if there is selective attention going on here. Are you seeing all the negative, and ignoring any of the positives? Or were these just a bunch of crabby old women? A lot of women are like that. I know some who are crabby about monogamy.

Crabby about monogamy? ROFLMAO!! Really? So, just how many women do you know that are truly crabby about monogamy?

1. A personal friend whose husband had affairs while she was having a difficult pregnancy.
2. Two young women I know whose husbands left the Church first and then them, so they raising small children on their own.
3. A woman whose husband decided after 20 years of marriage he just didn't want the resonsibility anymore.
4. At least three women I know personally, would really liked to have gotten married, but they couldn't find a worthy man who would marry them in the temple.

Oh, yes, and not from a journal, but from a woman I knew who was the child of a polygamous marriage. She said, "I'd much rather have half of a good man than all of a bad one."

[_charity]

I do none of the above. I don't judge that people, who lived 200 years ago and used to apply that science 200 years ago. I say that wearing asafoedita bags around the neck doesn't protect from anything. And it didn't protect back then and will not protect from anything in the future.
This is not presentism, this is THE SCIENCE. Or the fact, which is a thing You don't like.

"In Joseph Smith's day treasure hunting was a respectable ( =well paid ) activity",
but it didn't work then, it doesn't work now, and never will work. And this was well known by Joseph Smith and all other treasure hunters.

You really do run on.

First, I do not dislike science. I don't trust it as a god as you seem to do. You have faith in it, you believe it is infallible. That is what is funny.

Now, I did not try to make a case that asafedita (in America we use that spelling over asafoetida) cures anything. But you can't look a person over 200 years ago as being stupid for wearing one. In that time people thought it worked. And since they thought it worked, people who made asafedita bags and sold them were not scamming people. You saying now that we know they were useless and so those people were stupid and scammers is a perfect example of presentism.

And according to the local newpaper of the day, people were finding treasures. Didn't you read that?

[_harmony]

And according to the local newpaper of the day, people were finding treasures. Didn't you read that?

And you believe that?

[_charity]

And according to the local newpaper of the day, people were finding treasures. Didn't you read that?

And you believe that?

I forgot. Critics don't read contemporary sources unless they are anti-Mormon. I will have to watch this when I provide source material.

[_skippy the dead]

And according to the local newpaper of the day, people were finding treasures. Didn't you read that?

And you believe that?

I forgot. Critics don't read contemporary sources unless they are anti-Mormon. I will have to watch this when I provide source material.

I went to your sources. I saw three quotes, complete with ellipses and no context whatsoever, with no reproduction of the actual sources. They are meaningless as source material, contemporary or not, unless they can be produced in their entirety to substantiate their claim.

[_Trevor]

And according to the local newpaper of the day, people were finding treasures. Didn't you read that?

And aside from the Book of Mormon with its accompanying relics, how many treasures did Joseph Smith find?

Also, did he find the Book of Mormon through the same inspiration he used to locate other treasures? If not, does the Book of Mormon count as a success for his treasure-digging? If not, what does that say for Joseph Smith's ability to find treasures through the usual money-digging methods?

[_charity]

And according to the local newpaper of the day, people were finding treasures. Didn't you read that?

And aside from the Book of Mormon with its accompanying relics, how many treasures did Joseph Smith find?

Also, did he find the Book of Mormon through the same inspiration he used to locate other treasures? If not, does the Book of Mormon count as a success for his treasure-digging? If not, what does that say for Joseph Smith's ability to find treasures through the usual money-digging methods?

This not responsive to the comments and questions. The comment had been about treasure seeking in Joseph Smith's time. The local newspaper of the day had something to say about that. The questions you ask are not relevant to that article.

[_Trevor]

This not responsive to the comments and questions. The comment had been about treasure seeking in Joseph Smith's time. The local newspaper of the day had something to say about that. The questions you ask are not relevant to that article.

Oh, and you are telling me that Joseph Smith is not an example of treasure seeking in Joseph Smith's time? Interesting.

Do my questions need to be relevant to a particular article to be reasonable questions? Is this your discussion board where you set the terms of every discussion? If you don't want to answer, then simply don't answer. Don't act as though you are in charge.

[_skippy the dead]

This not responsive to the comments and questions. The comment had been about treasure seeking in Joseph Smith's time. The local newspaper of the day had something to say about that.

So you say, but please see my comment above.

[_ludwigm]

I do none of the above. I don't judge that people, who lived 200 years ago and used to apply that science 200 years ago. I say that wearing asafoedita bags around the neck doesn't protect from anything. And it didn't protect back then and will not protect from anything in the future.
This is not presentism, this is THE SCIENCE. Or the fact, which is a thing You don't like.

"In Joseph Smith's day treasure hunting was a respectable ( =well paid ) activity",
but it didn't work then, it doesn't work now, and never will work. And this was well known by Joseph Smith and all other treasure hunters.

You really do run on.

First, I do not dislike science. I don't trust it as a god as you seem to do. You have faith in it, you believe it is infallible. That is what is funny.

Now, I did not try to make a case that asafedita (in America we use that spelling over asafoetida) cures anything. But you can't look a person over 200 years ago as being stupid for wearing one. In that time people thought it worked. And since they thought it worked, people who made asafedita bags and sold them were not scamming people. You saying now that we know they were useless and so those people were stupid and scammers is a perfect example of presentism.

And according to the local newpaper of the day, people were finding treasures. Didn't you read that?

"Now, I did not try to make a case that asafedita (in America we use that spelling over asafoetida) cures anything."
- - Thank You, we have reached the point. Asafetida doesn't cure anything. This is what I said. And only this.

"And since they thought it worked, people who made asafedita bags and sold them were not scamming people."
- - Today ( in 2007, after one more week in 2008) there are many people who believe in astrology. Other people - who use hi-tech computers - serve them for a big money. They are scammers. Today's scammers. Without presentism.

"First, I do not dislike science."
- - Up to now, I believed the opposite.

"I don't trust it as a god as you seem to do. You have faith in it, you believe it is infallible."
- - It is not god, it is not faith. It is practice. Science doesn't say we have the ultimate answer. Religions say it. We have answers for now. Tomorrow we will know a lot more and we will know things different. But this used to be another thread.

"That is what is funny."
- - "funny" redefined.

"And according to the local newpaper of the day, people were finding treasures."
- - Today ( in 2007 etc. ) newspapers and TVs present a lot of garbage. Do You believe all of them?