Which way did they go Joe?

[_charity]

This not responsive to the comments and questions. The comment had been about treasure seeking in Joseph Smith's time. The local newspaper of the day had something to say about that.

So you say, but please see my comment above.

Zippy, you can go to the archives yourself. Nobody here is going to post the entire content of the Palmyra Herald. You want to say that the paper doesn't say what I posted that it does, then you dig it out. That's the way it goes. I don't do your research for you.

[_charity]

"And according to the local newpaper of the day, people were finding treasures."
- - Today ( in 2007 etc. ) newspapers and TVs present a lot of garbage. Do You believe all of them?

I generally tend to believe reporting of facts. That one man found enough "treasure" to build a house seems to be pretty straight forward reporting.

[_ludwigm]

Merry Christmas!

[_skippy the dead]

This not responsive to the comments and questions. The comment had been about treasure seeking in Joseph Smith's time. The local newspaper of the day had something to say about that.

So you say, but please see my comment above.

Zippy, you can go to the archives yourself. Nobody here is going to post the entire content of the Palmyra Herald. You want to say that the paper doesn't say what I posted that it does, then you dig it out. That's the way it goes. I don't do your research for you.

I'm just saying that you've place all your eggs in that three-quote basket, and the quotes themselves are, at the least, second hand, and at the worst, devoid of context and incomplete. It is a weak argument, and not worthy of the emphasis you've placed on it.

[_LCD2YOU]

What in the world is happening to this board as of late? Am I the only person that doesn’t have a nemesis?

-Stu (wishing someone would kick my a**… I promise it won’t be hard)

Can I be your nemesis Steuss? Actually, I'd just as soon be your anti-nemesis, since I'm not given to rants about violence being "the american way," proclaiming that "I win," and thinking anti-intellectual "jokes" are sig worthy. : )

I was thinking more along the lines of anti-pseudo-intellectual. My bad.

Then why are you not jumping all over Charity, FAIR and FARMS?

I call BS. If there is anymore anti-intellectualism going on than those three, I'd hate to see it.

Violence is the American way and I dare you to prove me wrong. :-)

It isn't. I guess that is why the Americans in Missouri kicked tha crap out of some religious wackos and sent their sorry asses packing.

Why do girls always have to butt in and ruin all of our boyish fun?

Yes, I still win.

In distortion? Yup. No arguement there.

Hey, you say I'm an ass to you. I asked where I ever insulted you and I get silence. So again I call BS on your line of ill-reason.

OBTW, again if you are that big, good for you! If you really like to fight that much, great! Now, why don't you put that understanding into actually reading what others have said?

[_LCD2YOU]

I don't know why you argue with people who will never be convinced and who are just combative a$$es. You and I have a higher witness of the Book of Mormon which we can't deny, lest we fall under condemnation. He doesn't believe we have that witness and you will never convince him otherwise. This is pointless.

I know.

"Combative a$$es"? It takes two to tango.

I asked a simple question and you gave quick and simple answers. When I picked those answers apart you became irrate. I took the bait and gave back what you were dishing out.

Now, I want to know which way they went. If you don't know, that's fine.

It is still my contention that it took years to do and what should have been one of the best stories about the greatest journey in the Bronze Age is reduced to "there was a storm and it took many days".

Sad.

[_Doctor Steuss]

The "money digging" never was a working, real activity. It was fraud, and who committed it, knew this.
Seek hidden treasures with magic rod or with seer stone may have been popular or respected or believed but didn't ever work.

I disagree that those who "committed it" knew that it was a fraud. Some may have, but I tend to think many of those who engage in such activities (including those who search for water with a divining rod) actually do believe that they are performing a “working, real activity.”

Whether Joseph believed it was such is another matter; however, I don’t think it’s an accurate statement to claim that everyone who has performed such activities knew/knows it to be fraudulent.

[_LCD2YOU]

I don't think Joseph's neighbors were money diggers. Just Joseph and some of his friends. You make it seem like money digging was like voting.

Pretty close to very common. This is from the Palmyra Herald newspaper of july 24, 1822. These excerpts are off the FAIR wiki (http://en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith_and_money_digging)

"In the young Joseph Smith's time and place, "money digging" was a popular, and sometimes respected activity. When Joseph was 16, the Palmyra Herald printed such remarks as:

"digging for money hid in the earth is a very common thing and in this state it is even considered as honorable and profitable employment"
"One gentleman...digging...ten to twelve years, found a sufficient quantity of money to build him a commodious house.
"another...dug up...fifty thousand dollars!"

Do you accept contemporaneous accounts?

Yes, when the full quotation and original source is provided. Another thing, prostitution is pretty common too. Does that make it legal? One more thing, when using sources one must take the source into account. When readng about slavery, I don't want to use John C. Calhoun.

If money digging was "like voting", why was Joseph Smith prosecusted for it?

[_charity]

Yes, when the full quotation and original source is provided.

citation. You want me to deliver a photocopy to your hands? Or do you want the original newspaper handed to you?

One more thing, when using sources one must take the source into account. When readng about slavery, I don't want to use John C. Calhoun.

You think the Palmyra Herald was a Mormon newspaper? LOL

If money digging was "like voting", why was Joseph Smith prosecusted for it?

He was brought up on charges, never prosecuted, because the nephews of Josiah Stowell were angry that he had talked their uncle into stopping the digging. They thought they were going to get rich until Joseph stopped the digging. Oh, and the beginning of the venture was Joseph was hired to dig. He didn't promise to find anything. He was just a strong back with a shovel in his hands.

[_Dr. Shades]

He was brought up on charges, never prosecuted, because the nephews of Josiah Stowell were angry that he had talked their uncle into stopping the digging. They thought they were going to get rich until Joseph stopped the digging.

Actually, they were tired of seeing Joseph bilk so much money out of their uncle.

Oh, and the beginning of the venture was Joseph was hired to dig. He didn't promise to find anything. He was just a strong back with a shovel in his hands.

That's where I'll have to disagree. Joseph never did any of the actual digging. He made it clear that for him to exert any physical effort would cause the counter-enchantments to fail.