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Trevor wrote:
Coggins7 wrote:The sixties began an unmistakable trend toward cultural dissolution and decline that has happened many times before and to which the Prophets, throughout time, have directed their critique.


That's a mighty big historical claim.


Immorality started with the earliest humans. What was unique with the "modern" trend was reliable birth control. The last great motivator for moral behavior was removed. Fear of pregnancy was gone, license prevailed. Not even the possiblity of contracting a fatal disease overcame that great "liberating" event.
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charity wrote:Immorality started with the earliest humans. What was unique with the "modern" trend was reliable birth control. The last great motivator for moral behavior was removed. Fear of pregnancy was gone, license prevailed. Not even the possiblity of contracting a fatal disease overcame that great "liberating" event.


And you know because you were there? You had a revelation on the matter? You have some scientific evidence the rest of the world is lacking? Geez. Save me, Jebus!
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Moniker wrote:
Coggins7 wrote:I've now been married 22 years. No averages for me (the first lasted only four and one half years, but that woman was much more like Harmony...)


I wonder if you're married repeatedly in the Church does that count as promiscuity? Or is it only sexual relations outside of marital bonds that count?

That would be my definiton. And even serial polygamy as practiced by many today isn't technically promiscuous in my book.
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Trevor wrote:
charity wrote:Immorality started with the earliest humans. What was unique with the "modern" trend was reliable birth control. The last great motivator for moral behavior was removed. Fear of pregnancy was gone, license prevailed. Not even the possiblity of contracting a fatal disease overcame that great "liberating" event.


And you know because you were there? You had a revelation on the matter? You have some scientific evidence the rest of the world is lacking? Geez. Save me, Jebus!


What? Recorded history is there. Is that scientific enough for you?
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I suspect that one of the main impacts of the BC pill was the reduction in the number of "premature" babies in newlyweds.
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charity wrote: What was unique with the "modern" trend was reliable birth control.


One of those scientific advances brought about by God blessing those in the lab.
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charity wrote:What? Recorded history is there. Is that scientific enough for you?


Oh yeah, I forgot. You believe everything you read(?), and think that your perspective on it is definitively true. Forgive me for forgetting that.
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No, you weren't. You were trying to sit in my bishop's (retarded bishop at that) seat and call me to some sort of repentence. And my response to that is: take a long walk off a short pier.


No, I'm asking you to clarify what you believe and accept about the LDS Church. I used the Temple recommend interview for one reason and one reason only: you claim to have one, and the questions in the interview are pivitol to the reception of that recommend. I'd like to see how many of them you think you can reject and still get the recommend. Since these questions speak to fundamental areas of belief and practice, the relevance in clear. Obviously Harmony, the more things in that interview you unambiguously reject, the more your claim to hold a recommend becomes suspicious, or the more it becomes obvious that you have not been honest with your Priesthood leaders about your real feelings.

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Do you support your leaders?

Of course. It seems prudent at this moment to point out that you are not one of my leaders. And you never will be. And you have no stewardship, no inspiration, and no discernment for me at all.


So you support GBH, BKP, all of the Brethren and sustain them as Prophets, seers and revelators?

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Was Joseph Smith a Prophet?



Right up until the moment he walked outside his marriage vows to Emma. Which means, right up until he took Fanny to bed. After that... he abdicated the mantle.



But he never did Harmony, not according to any credible historical sources or according to the Lord's laws as regarding Plural marriage. There isn't shred of evidence he ever slept with Fanny Alger. None. Zip. Assumption and Presumption is all you have there.



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Does the old dude in the Bishops office have spiritual authority?

My "old dude" is younger than I am. And any spiritual authority I grant him is within my own inspiration. In other words, my inspiration Trump's his spiritual authority if we don't agree. However, we have never not agreed.


You don't grant him his authority Harmony. He holds it, as he is worthy, regardless of your subjective impressions regarding it. Strike number one. You don't understand LDS doctrine.

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Does he even have the right to interview you?


He has no rights regarding me. He asks; I grant. He does not demand. He is cognizant that his authority is something I grant, not something he demands that I recognize.


He is not cognizant that his authority is something you grant. If he is, he is the semi-autistic retard you have portrayed him to be. He is the Shepard of a flock; a Ward in a Stake of Zion. If he is worthy, then he has the authority to preside. You grant him nothing except to sustain him in that position. If your entire Ward decides to thrown him out because they want to become Wiccans, so be it, but he does not lose his authority, only his ability to preside, which he cannot do by force.



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Are the standard works of the Church the word of God?


Some of them are. Some of them are the works of men that have been agreed upon as binding. Since I had no part in that agreement, I am free to accept that which is inspired according to my own inspiration, and to disregard that which is not applicable.


You are also free to accept or reject that which you choose to accept or reject based upon your own personal desires, agendas, and self referential perspectives, but please don't' pretend to "inspiration".
My intelligence has already been insulted enough on this thread. And thank you for proving my point. The Church of Harmony. Not something I'd want to be a part of, or the Church of Coggins. I'd prefer the Church of Jesus Christ. The one you have rejected, essentially, in toto.


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Do you believe in missionary work?

Completely.


You can get away with this because of the vagueness of the question. I won't make that mistake again.

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Do you support anti-Mormon groups or entities hostile to the Church and its teachings?



I don't know any. I certainly don't send money. All of my contributions and support go to the LDS church.

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Do you sustain the Brethren as prophets, seers, and revelations?


Uh, I think you mean revelators. And yes, I do. Unfortunately I see little in the way of prophecy or revelations from the Brethren. I'm holding out hope for the next group.


Does anyone but me see an inconsistency and a hedging of bets going on here?

Let me point out that you have just admitted that you quite patiently do not support, sustain, or accept the Brethren in their callings, that you accept only portions of the word of the Lord, and that you believe it is you who grants authority to your leaders (not Jesus Christ). You have also made it perfectly clear what I've been saying all along: You accept only what you deem acceptable. If you could find me a biblical reference for this concept, I'd be appreciative. The last time I checked, we, as human beings, either accept what the Lord gives to us or we do not. We do not choose the doctrines, practices, disciplines, and principles of the Gospel, only whether we will accept them. This is really something approaching sheer hubris; an engulfing narcissistic pride that would knock even Alma for a loop.

Oh, by the way, speaking of Alma, do you believe that the Book of Mormon is a record of actual historical characters and events?
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Coggins7 wrote:Oh, by the way, speaking of Alma, do you believe that the Book of Mormon is a record of actual historical characters and events?


And the pertinence of this is....what?
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Coggins7 wrote:
Let me point out that you have just admitted that you quite patiently do not support, sustain, or accept the Brethren in their callings, that you accept only portions of the word of the Lord, and that you believe it is you who grants authority to your leaders (not Jesus Christ).


That's because I see so little of Christ in the church today, or in the past. And if I don't see it, he doesn't grant it, at least not as it pertains to me. I am not required to accept every word that comes out of SLC, in order to sustain my leaders in their callings. I am only required to accept that which is truly inspired, and I see little of that. When I see my leaders acting like businessmen instead of religious leaders of Christ's church, I am not required to sustain them in their business endeavors.

You have also made it perfectly clear what I've been saying all along: You accept only what you deem acceptable.


Of course. That is as I have been instructed repeatedly by our leaders since I joined the church some 37 years ago. I take my personal relationship with God very seriously, Loran. I don't abdicate my personal revelation to anyone else, not even the prophet. And you have no basis for asking for that. You are the one who needs to repent, if you think that you do.

If you could find me a biblical reference for this concept, I'd be appreciative.


Biblical? Look under the modern prophets, Loran. Or ask charity. She has a grasp of that principle that you obviously have missed.

The last time I checked, we, as human beings, either accept what the Lord gives to us or we do not. We do not choose the doctrines, practices, disciplines, and principles of the Gospel, only whether we will accept them. This is really something approaching sheer hubris; a engulfing narcissistic pride that would knock even Alma for a loop.


I hate to be the one to tell you this, but charity agrees with me, Loran. We are always required to take any revelation from our leaders to the Lord for confirmation that the revelation is from God. And it is not binding upon us, if we don't receive that confirmation. So all your pontification is useless. I'm within my stewardship to receive personal revelation about that which concerns me. And my personal inspiration Trump's everyone else's.

Oh, by the way, speaking of Alma, do you believe that the Book of Mormon is a record of actual historical characters and events?


Nope. And I don't have to. I believe it is a holy book, just as I believe the Bible is a holy book. Written by men to teach about God. I don't consider it to be any more or any less than the Bible.
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