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Ok. Sure it put some new spin on things. But immoral behavior in regards to sex and how we believe the scriptures and God defines it has been going on for a long, long time. I just do not think it is new since then. We were not a moral prim and proper people about this before that and certainly are not now.



In that case, you have no living idea whatever regarding the levels of crime, juvenile delinquency, domestic violence, property crime, unwed motherhood, premarital sex, and other social indicators up until about 1964 to 65. When I say vast, I mean precisely that, because social pathology, including the breakdown of the family white and black, began a long and unprecedented climb in those years. The late sixties added ideological and philosophical legitimacy to some already existing trends which then gained cachet as revolutionary or progressive forms of behavior and thought.

The sixties were driven by a number of things, not the least of which was a flowering of the concepts and Ideas of Continental philosophy, not the least of which were the ideas of Nietzsche, Hegel, Marx, and the Frankfurt School.

The sexual revolution,, value relativism, the renewed interest in Marx and utopian collectivism; all of these were a part of the mix. There is no "spin". The late sixties were major break from generations past. If you go back far enough, and look cross culturally, you will find similar situations in other cultures at other times, true, but that doesn't change the reality of the massive sea change in values that took place beginning in the late sixties. Ayn Rand properly, from one standpoint, called it the "anti-industrial revolution". From another, it was the beginning of the triumph of a Dyonesian, Nietzschean, anti-rationalist, anti-Judeo/Christian ethos that had a long philosophical history in Franco/Germanic philosophy.

Its effects were also predicted and predictable.
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That's a mighty big historical claim.



I like them that way.
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Coggins7 wrote:
That's a mighty big historical claim.



I like them that way.


And one that surely could never be backed up in this format.
“I was hooked from the start,” Snoop Dogg said. “We talked about the purpose of life, played Mousetrap, and ate brownies. The kids thought it was off the hook, for real.”
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Trevor wrote:
Coggins7 wrote:
That's a mighty big historical claim.



I like them that way.


And one that surely could never be backed up in this format.


You noticed the lack of documentation for his opinions too?
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harmony wrote:You noticed the lack of documentation for his opinions too?


Er... what? Sorry. I don't follow.
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How could the sixties begin an unmistakeable trend that has happened many times before?

Huh?



What do you mean, "huh"?

Its called "history", and is a very interesting study. It takes time and effort however, you really begin to get a "big picture" of things.

For example, Germany went through a period similar to ours beginning in the early thirties.
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My problem with his claims is that they are grounded in contemporary readings of our very partial record of the past, and yet he places such a burden of certainty on them.



The thing is Trevor, human beings haven't changed much at all over the history of civilization. The same motivations, passions, incentives, and desires that rattled our chains, for good or ill, are pretty much the same as those that rattled them 6,000 years ago, all due given to technological and cultural differences that have obtained during that time period.
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Trevor wrote:
harmony wrote:You noticed the lack of documentation for his opinions too?


Er... what? Sorry. I don't follow.


Where's his documentation that supports what is only his opinion at this point? I'm not seeing any references to books, thesis, essays, professional presentations or articles for journals to support his opinion. So... it's all just hot air, Loran style.

In some ways, I think he's right, but I'd like to see where he got his ideas.
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harmony wrote:In some ways, I think he's right, but I'd like to see where he got his ideas.


Something tells me that he won't be shy in sharing. Thanks for the clarification.
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And you know because you were there? You had a revelation on the matter? You have some scientific evidence the rest of the world is lacking? Geez. Save me, Jebus!



Actually Trevor, she was there, I was there, and as we grew up, we began to do things like read books, and study history, and think critically, and explore various theories of what occurred. Some of us, at some point, came to a conclusion different than the prevailing pop cultural received wisdom relative to that era.

I know it galls the Hell out of many people that the era and zeitgeist in which they have staked their world view and self concept is, to other people, an exercise in cultural degeneration and implies, left unchecked, the end of a free, civil society. But as I said earlier, the truth will hurt, on some occasions.
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