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The Nehor wrote:
Yes, he left because he felt he wasn't doing what he should be doing. He is now successful, is married, and is doing very well.


Thank you.

I have a bigger gripe with those who go out and stay out when they don't want to be there. It erodes their character and they're obnoxious to those who want to be out there. I imagine it would be like joining the Peace Corp and then finding yourself stuck with someone who thought the Corp's methods were bad, their motives were very suspect, and was convinced that their being there wasn't doing any good. The correct response: GET OUT!!!

The reason I am fairly passionate about this is my experiences on a Mission. Merc's description of his Mission days in days past leads one to the conclusion that he was mostly convinced that everything the Missionaries were doing was in some way wrong. Yet he stayed there. Brings to my mind those passive-aggressive gits who wasted my time, their parent's money, and their lives dragging down everyone around them.


Nehor...are you missing the point? WHY did Mercury stay? Do you understand that this is THE entire point of the thread? He went, he didn't want to go, he stayed, he didn't want to stay. Now answer: WHY? (hint: something to do with living up to expectations and being an incredibly young man).
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Moniker wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
Yes, he left because he felt he wasn't doing what he should be doing. He is now successful, is married, and is doing very well.


Thank you.

I have a bigger gripe with those who go out and stay out when they don't want to be there. It erodes their character and they're obnoxious to those who want to be out there. I imagine it would be like joining the Peace Corp and then finding yourself stuck with someone who thought the Corp's methods were bad, their motives were very suspect, and was convinced that their being there wasn't doing any good. The correct response: GET OUT!!!

The reason I am fairly passionate about this is my experiences on a Mission. Merc's description of his Mission days in days past leads one to the conclusion that he was mostly convinced that everything the Missionaries were doing was in some way wrong. Yet he stayed there. Brings to my mind those passive-aggressive gits who wasted my time, their parent's money, and their lives dragging down everyone around them.


Nehor...are you missing the point? WHY did Mercury stay? Do you understand that this is THE entire point of the thread? He went, he didn't want to go, he stayed, he didn't want to stay. Now answer: WHY? (hint: something to do with living up to expectations and being an incredibly young man).


I don't know why he stayed. From what I know (admittedly little) I think he should have bailed. Why he stayed....I have no idea. I do think that if I did not accept the gospel as what it claims to be my Mission would have been a perpetual hell. The experience already leans that way and it stretches you physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. Without the Holy Ghost and the surety that I was doing the right thing I would have quit. Even accepting it totally I was tempted to quit.
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The Nehor wrote:
Moniker wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
Yes, he left because he felt he wasn't doing what he should be doing. He is now successful, is married, and is doing very well.


Thank you.

I have a bigger gripe with those who go out and stay out when they don't want to be there. It erodes their character and they're obnoxious to those who want to be out there. I imagine it would be like joining the Peace Corp and then finding yourself stuck with someone who thought the Corp's methods were bad, their motives were very suspect, and was convinced that their being there wasn't doing any good. The correct response: GET OUT!!!

The reason I am fairly passionate about this is my experiences on a Mission. Merc's description of his Mission days in days past leads one to the conclusion that he was mostly convinced that everything the Missionaries were doing was in some way wrong. Yet he stayed there. Brings to my mind those passive-aggressive gits who wasted my time, their parent's money, and their lives dragging down everyone around them.


Nehor...are you missing the point? WHY did Mercury stay? Do you understand that this is THE entire point of the thread? He went, he didn't want to go, he stayed, he didn't want to stay. Now answer: WHY? (hint: something to do with living up to expectations and being an incredibly young man).


I don't know why he stayed. From what I know (admittedly little) I think he should have bailed. Why he stayed....I have no idea. I do think that if I did not accept the gospel as what it claims to be my Mission would have been a perpetual hell. The experience already leans that way and it stretches you physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. Without the Holy Ghost and the surety that I was doing the right thing I would have quit. Even accepting it totally I was tempted to quit.


Hmm...I think charity nailed it in her first comment to him. Do you disagree with her assessment?
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Post by _James Clifford Miller »

charity wrote:Jersey Girl and Pokatator,

I get so tired of people saying they were "foreced" to go on a mission, "forced" to marry in the temple.



I was a District Leader on my mission to Denmark, Charity, and I can tell you that a significant portion of the missionaries I met had, in fact, been forced to go on their mission by their family. They're just 18-19 year old kids, Charity, most of whom had little backbone or experience in the world. Fully half of the missionaries in my mission didn't want to be there and couldn't wait to go home.

I even supervised a lady missionary whose bishop and stake president had forged her name on her mission papers unbeknownst to her (as with many religious matters, they felt the end justified the means), skipped the interviews, and presented her with the prophet's miraculous call out of the blue to go on a mission and forced her to break off her engagement. Small wonder she kept suffering from undiagnosable illnesses. Finally, one of her Danish doctors signed a paper stating that she was too ill to continue and should be sent home. It only took a few days home for her to miraculously recover from her illness. Unfortunately, her dumped fiance from before the mission had already gotten married to someone else. He didn't believe her when she'd told him the mission call had come out of the blue. He thought she'd instigated it. She genuinely thought the call came out of the blue. After dealing with her duplicitous SP and bishop getting her home convinced me of their deceit.

I was even forced to go. I just wish I knew then what I know now and I would have told my bishop a polite, but firm, no thank you. Had he forced the issue, I'd have told him if he was so hot for someone to go on a mission, to divorce his wife (if it was true love, she'd wait), and go on the mission himself.

As it was, the change from two-and-a-half years to two year missions came during my mission. Officially, we were to have been given the choice to stay for the original calling or leave at the end of just 24 months, but my mission president was bucking to be chosen a General Authority and he lied to us about the option because (as he foolishly confided to one of the elders working in the mission home) he was afraid too many of us going home after 24 months would hurt his chances for ecclesiastical advancement. Fortunately, several dozen of us got copies of the Church News announcement about the choice, and held our own missionary conference, got our families to agree to foot the bill to fly us home, and then simply presented our mission president with the ultimatum to either give us honorable releases at the end of 24 months or we go home on our own dime (already arranged for) and hold news conferences when we got home to tell about his falsehoods and refusals. Next thing we knew, he had the mission secretary arrange for our tickets home.

What a spiritual giant this guy was. At one point, the GAs were pushing for placement of the book, Meet the Mormons. So to rack up brownie points our mission president ran around placing consignment copies of Meet the Mormons in Danish at bookstores. Then he gave local members mission money to buy the books. THen he would place the same copies back in the same bookstores and buy 'em back again. And again. And again.

Another time, he had a revelation for us to pose as BYU sociology students doing a research project using the Family Home Evening manual in Danish. If asked if we were LDS missionaries, we were explicitly told to lie and say we were BYU research students. The point was to place lots of copies of the manual to impress the GAs at home.

I learned a lot on my mission, but it wasn't worth the cost. The next time, Charity, that you hear someone complain about being forced to go on a mission, remember they could well be telling the truth.

James Clifford Miller (no sockpuppet here)
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James Clifford Miller!

Just saying...

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Jersey Girl wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
Moniker wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
Yes, he left because he felt he wasn't doing what he should be doing. He is now successful, is married, and is doing very well.


Thank you.

I have a bigger gripe with those who go out and stay out when they don't want to be there. It erodes their character and they're obnoxious to those who want to be out there. I imagine it would be like joining the Peace Corp and then finding yourself stuck with someone who thought the Corp's methods were bad, their motives were very suspect, and was convinced that their being there wasn't doing any good. The correct response: GET OUT!!!

The reason I am fairly passionate about this is my experiences on a Mission. Merc's description of his Mission days in days past leads one to the conclusion that he was mostly convinced that everything the Missionaries were doing was in some way wrong. Yet he stayed there. Brings to my mind those passive-aggressive gits who wasted my time, their parent's money, and their lives dragging down everyone around them.


Nehor...are you missing the point? WHY did Mercury stay? Do you understand that this is THE entire point of the thread? He went, he didn't want to go, he stayed, he didn't want to stay. Now answer: WHY? (hint: something to do with living up to expectations and being an incredibly young man).


I don't know why he stayed. From what I know (admittedly little) I think he should have bailed. Why he stayed....I have no idea. I do think that if I did not accept the gospel as what it claims to be my Mission would have been a perpetual hell. The experience already leans that way and it stretches you physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. Without the Holy Ghost and the surety that I was doing the right thing I would have quit. Even accepting it totally I was tempted to quit.


Hmm...I think charity nailed it in her first comment to him. Do you disagree with her assessment?


I mostly agree with it, but I think I'm coming at it from a different angle.
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Post by _vinegrr »

Coggins7 wrote:The thunderous, self righteous hatred of those who have seared their conscience and retreated from the responsibilities of discipleship for the truth is a wonder to behold, is it not? Job well done. You led some of your family away from their exaltation and the blessings of the Gospel. Good work old boy. And now you assault Charity for defending her beliefs and questioning the motives and reasoning of a number of posters here who exude the classic animus of the text book exmormon who can't leave the Church alone.

Its tempting to question motives when motives are so transparently questionable.


Do you think that ex-members returning to speak against their former religion is unique to Mormonism? It isn't. It happens in all religions that, like Mormonism, claim exclusive rights to the truth and attempt to regulate the lives of believers on a large scale. An ex-member's inability (or lack of desire) to "leave the Church alone" has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not the religion is true. I mean, you certainly wouldn't agree that Baptists or Jehovah's Witnesses possess the truth, but individuals who leave those denominations often "return" to warn, caution, or vent their frustrations concerning their experiences.
Yeah.
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Post by _Jersey Girl »

The Nehor wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
Moniker wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
Yes, he left because he felt he wasn't doing what he should be doing. He is now successful, is married, and is doing very well.


Thank you.

I have a bigger gripe with those who go out and stay out when they don't want to be there. It erodes their character and they're obnoxious to those who want to be out there. I imagine it would be like joining the Peace Corp and then finding yourself stuck with someone who thought the Corp's methods were bad, their motives were very suspect, and was convinced that their being there wasn't doing any good. The correct response: GET OUT!!!

The reason I am fairly passionate about this is my experiences on a Mission. Merc's description of his Mission days in days past leads one to the conclusion that he was mostly convinced that everything the Missionaries were doing was in some way wrong. Yet he stayed there. Brings to my mind those passive-aggressive gits who wasted my time, their parent's money, and their lives dragging down everyone around them.


Nehor...are you missing the point? WHY did Mercury stay? Do you understand that this is THE entire point of the thread? He went, he didn't want to go, he stayed, he didn't want to stay. Now answer: WHY? (hint: something to do with living up to expectations and being an incredibly young man).


I don't know why he stayed. From what I know (admittedly little) I think he should have bailed. Why he stayed....I have no idea. I do think that if I did not accept the gospel as what it claims to be my Mission would have been a perpetual hell. The experience already leans that way and it stretches you physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. Without the Holy Ghost and the surety that I was doing the right thing I would have quit. Even accepting it totally I was tempted to quit.


Hmm...I think charity nailed it in her first comment to him. Do you disagree with her assessment?


I mostly agree with it, but I think I'm coming at it from a different angle.


Really?

Here are charity's first comments:

Chicken behavior there, mercury. You should have stood up for your "anti-belief." You have nobody to blame but yourself. Keep kicking yourself. You deserve it.

And if you are so worried about losing precious time, why are you wasting so much time bellyaching on the message board?


I think she was dead on. Right on the money. Couldn't really have said it better myself. Totally supports Mercury's assertions that he felt forced.

What's different about your angle?
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James Clifford Miller wrote:
I learned a lot on my mission, but it wasn't worth the cost. The next time, Charity, that you hear someone complain about being forced to go on a mission, remember they could well be telling the truth.

James Clifford Miller (no sockpuppet here)


Excellent post. You must be about the same age I am. Our mission president told us we had the choice to stay the extra 6 months or go home at 18 months, but he told us we had a responsibility to stay, that Heavenly Father was giving us an opportunity for more service, and it would be wrong to refuse it. When I told him I'd decided to stay, he said, "Good because if you didn't, I'd have kicked your tail all around this mission."

Like I said, almost every missionary I know concurs: at least half the missionaries are there for the "wrong" reasons and do not want to be there. The idea that these teenagers are making some kind of morally reprehensible choice just reflects charity's not knowing much about missions.
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Coggins7 peeped and muttered wrote:The thunderous, self righteous hatred of those who have seared their conscience and retreated from the responsibilities of discipleship for the truth is a wonder to behold, is it not? Job well done. You led some of your family away from their exaltation and the blessings of the Gospel. Good work old boy. And now you assault Charity for defending her beliefs and questioning the motives and reasoning of a number of posters here who exude the classic animus of the text book exmormon who can't leave the Church alone.

Its tempting to question motives when motives are so transparently questionable.


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