Is God A Misogynist?

[_Ren]

Thank you. Now grow up and start listening to adult music

I'll go out and get some Mo-Tab tomorrow ;)

[_harmony]

Brilliant! Many people have mastered the skill of the "Ad hominem", but precious few turn it into an art form as you have :) I salute you sir...

Thank you. Now grow up and start listening to adult music.

That wasn't a compliment, Loran.

[_KimberlyAnn]

Kimberly, you should be ashamed of yet another ignorant, uneducated rant against the Church, the Gospel, its standards, and God, the big thorns in your paw that apparently will not go away.

Coggs, I've done a few things in my life for which I'm ashamed, but starting this thread ain't one of them.

KA

[_Jersey Girl]

I don't know where the excerpt is from, could you say?

It is from the Proclamation on the Family.

I think what you're saying is that the other scripture by Paul speaks of equality between men and women in God's mind/eyes. How do you see the 1 Timothy as contrary to that?

1 Timothy 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Why can not a woman teach? This doesn't seem in concert with other scriptural examples - there were many instances under the law in which women served as prophetesses and even leading women in the church in the New Testament. It is arguable that one woman even served as an apostle (one who would have a considerable amount of authority, even over men) - Junia. It could even be said that the Samaritan woman by the well "taught" the others in her village about Jesus.

1 Timothy just doesn't seem to fit with those examples and words such as this:

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Oh, I see now what you're thinking...at least I think so. Why can not a woman teach? Well, I don't have any sources in front of me at the moment but If I recall correctly, women weren't educated the way men were in those times. I could be wrong in that, but I don't think they were and that's why the verse exists.

Prophesy and such would have been reliant on the Holy Spirit, teaching would have relied on an educational foundation...does that make sense?

The Galations verse you quote, I think that is referring to something entirely different. I think it's essentially about being the same in terms of God's love and "like minded" if you will.

[_Jersey Girl]

An entire thread oozing the grossest illiteracy in the history and text of the Bible, ancient Israelite law and religious perspectives; modern, historically vacuous conceits regarding the Bible as a whole and what it actually says regarding woman, men, and their relationships, and a Madalyn Murray O' Hairesque anti-intellectualism toward the whole subject that is really unworthy of review.

Kimberly, you should be ashamed of yet another ignorant, uneducated rant against the Church, the Gospel, its standards, and God, the big thorns in your paw that apparently will not go away.


And who cares what renegade thinks about Biblical history and ancient Israelite religious thought (what, by the way, does he know about it?). A guy who uses the symbol of a group of drug lobotomized America hating anarchist punks whose collective mental capacity would have a difficult time competing with a can of Spam is no one to be pontificating on such complex subjects.

Phunk presents as our resident baby Carl Sagan but, like so many others of this type, beyond this small niche (natural or hard science), his mind collapses when faced with questions and issues even one step beyond that narrow funnel. Issues of religion and spirituality cause something near complete intellectual short circuiting with individuals of this kind.

Is there any possible chance in hell that you could reply on topic to this thread? Your non-stop rhetoric is starting to get to me. If you can do better than those who have replied on topic then have at it.

[_KimberlyAnn]

Is there any possible chance in hell that you could reply on topic to this thread? Your non-stop rhetoric is starting to get to me. If you can do better than those who have replied on topic then have at it.

Well, you gotta admit Coggs is very creative with the insults. He loves to slay us with them, at least in his own mind.

He's the Insultinator!

KA

[_Jersey Girl]

Is there any possible chance in hell that you could reply on topic to this thread? Your non-stop rhetoric is starting to get to me. If you can do better than those who have replied on topic then have at it.

Well, you gotta admit Coggs is very creative with the insults. He loves to slay us with them, at least in his own mind.

He's the Insultinator!

KA

I am no stranger to insults. A well placed flame is always welcomed by me. It's the random yahoolian machine gunning I can't stand.

[_Coggins7]

Is there any possible chance in hell that you could reply on topic to this thread? Your non-stop rhetoric is starting to get to me. If you can do better than those who have replied on topic then have at it.

And what, pray tell, is there of substance in this thread to which I could respond?

[_Coggins7]

1 Timothy 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Why can not a woman teach? This doesn't seem in concert with other scriptural examples - there were many instances under the law in which women served as prophetesses and even leading women in the church in the New Testament. It is arguable that one woman even served as an apostle (one who would have a considerable amount of authority, even over men) - Junia. It could even be said that the Samaritan woman by the well "taught" the others in her village about Jesus.

This is well understood in the Church to be customs and attitudes specific to Timothy's day and culture, and not relevant to the Restored Church. We also don't practice animal sacrifice, but that's a part of the Gospel of Jesus Christ too, in its manifestation as the Mosaic Law.

[_harmony]

This is well understood in the Church to be customs and attitudes specific to Timothy's day and culture, and not relevant to the Restored Church. We also don't practice animal sacrifice, but that's a part of the Gospel of Jesus Christ too, in its manifestation as the Mosaic Law.

Oh, so we just pick and choose which parts of the gospel we're going to live? Uh huh. Sure.

More likely, it's a teaching of men, a cultural thing that no longer applies so we kicked it to the curb. Kinda like we should have done with polygamy, except that Joseph's libido got in the way of his phophetic mantle.