I just wanted to add to something that you said because Moniker seems to be interested in details right now.
This is why the Nauvoo Expositor was such a big deal, it was going to blow the lid off the secret and tell the general membership of the church. Joseph and the other leaders had been vigorously denying the practice or theory of polygamy, and didn't want it exposed. So Joseph ordered it destroyed, starting the chain of events that led to his death.
He had the printing press itself destroyed.
Please be accurate. The Nauvoo City Council ordered the press destroyed.
Okay, I'll try to be more accurate. The Nauvoo City Council passed an ordinance to destroy the paper (press( at the suggestion of the Mayor.
I just wanted to add to something that you said because Moniker seems to be interested in details right now.
This is why the Nauvoo Expositor was such a big deal, it was going to blow the lid off the secret and tell the general membership of the church. Joseph and the other leaders had been vigorously denying the practice or theory of polygamy, and didn't want it exposed. So Joseph ordered it destroyed, starting the chain of events that led to his death.
He had the printing press itself destroyed.
Please be accurate. The Nauvoo City Council ordered the press destroyed.
Okay, I'll try to be more accurate. The Nauvoo City Council passed an ordinance to destroy the paper (press( at the suggestion of the Mayor.
Do you disagree with that statement, charity?
No. "At the suggestion" isn't the same as "ordered by." Do you disagree with that statement?
charity wrote:No. "At the suggestion" isn't the same as "ordered by." Do you disagree with that statement?
Why would Joseph Smith even suggest destroying the press?
Also, when you have a city council made up of believers in your prophetic mandate, a suggestion might as well be an order. Who in their right minds is going to argue with it??
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I just wanted to add to something that you said because Moniker seems to be interested in details right now.
This is why the Nauvoo Expositor was such a big deal, it was going to blow the lid off the secret and tell the general membership of the church. Joseph and the other leaders had been vigorously denying the practice or theory of polygamy, and didn't want it exposed. So Joseph ordered it destroyed, starting the chain of events that led to his death.
He had the printing press itself destroyed.
Please be accurate. The Nauvoo City Council ordered the press destroyed.
Okay, I'll try to be more accurate. The Nauvoo City Council passed an ordinance to destroy the paper (press( at the suggestion of the Mayor.
Do you disagree with that statement, charity?
No. "At the suggestion" isn't the same as "ordered by." Do you disagree with that statement?
The Mayor made a suggestion and then made a proposal that the council take action to "put down" the press. The Council voted, with one dissenter, prepared the action and the Mayor gave the order.
msnobody wrote:What with asking heavenly father for revelation on what location to send the numerous LDS missionaries, I don't imagine HF has much time for revealing any other newbies.
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There was an article in the New Era within the last year. It quoted Elder Eyring describing the process. The assigned apostle goes into a room with a computer and a sheaf of missionary application, and one by one gets inspiration as exactly where that missionary should go. He said something aobut how the strength of the witness would be startling except for the fact that it happens over and over again.
In the beginning, the inspiration said the lexicographical order - until one set of missionaries have found this out. Today, the computer helps to change the order randomly.
I actually prefer to listen to someone who has some actual knowledge of the process, rather than someone who hasn't a clue.
No, you prefer to listen to someone who has an answer that more closely approximates your own imaginings. You could be listening to a General Authority of the LDS Church who is bending the truth in characterizing the process, and someone else who has worked in the relevant church department but is no longer active and is telling the truth, and you'd still buy the former's story, and not the latter's.
The road is beautiful, treacherous, and full of twists and turns.
charity wrote:There was an article in the New Era within the last year. It quoted Elder Eyring describing the process. The assigned apostle goes into a room with a computer and a sheaf of missionary application, and one by one gets inspiration as exactly where that missionary should go. He said something aobut how the strength of the witness would be startling except for the fact that it happens over and over again.
I had a friend who was a twin. According to him, they put their papers in together and, I can't remember exactly where they were sent, but it was something like Tacoma and Tahiti. REALLY close together in the phoneitcal order.
One of them got a good deal; the other got screwed.
the road to hana wrote:No, you prefer to listen to someone who has an answer that more closely approximates your own imaginings. You could be listening to a General Authority of the LDS Church who is bending the truth in characterizing the process, and someone else who has worked in the relevant church department but is no longer active and is telling the truth, and you'd still buy the former's story, and not the latter's.
According to charity, she's using the Holy Ghost to find the answer. Not her fault when (not if) the HG steers her to a lie.
the road to hana wrote:No, you prefer to listen to someone who has an answer that more closely approximates your own imaginings. You could be listening to a General Authority of the LDS Church who is bending the truth in characterizing the process, and someone else who has worked in the relevant church department but is no longer active and is telling the truth, and you'd still buy the former's story, and not the latter's.
According to charity, she's using the Holy Ghost to find the answer. Not her fault when (not if) the HG steers her to a lie.
Yes, I was going to ultimately add that point. New scripture surpasses old scripture, living prophet surpasses dead prophet, prophet speaking as prophet surpasses prophet speaking as man, but prophet can be human and faulty anyway, so ultimately, it's all up to personal revelation through the Holy Ghost, but only if it's the Holy Ghost who gives the same answers as Charity believes she receives.
The road is beautiful, treacherous, and full of twists and turns.