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_Coggins7
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The former governor of Massachusetts has had to be corrected publicly more than once recently by a spokesperson of the LDS Church regarding his own misstatements of LDS doctrine. If he only could be pointed in the direction of that veritable fountain of doctrinal LDS truth that is MADB, perhaps that could be avoided.


That may very well be the case, but he could also just peruse a few years worth of Priesthood manuals to get the same information. Much of what is discussed at MAD is on the periphery of Gospel doctrine and philosophy, and that's open territory (to some extent).
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the road to hana wrote:
Gomer Pyle wrote:MAD is a place where some very knowledgeable people give answers to questions that are, most certainly, authoritative much of the time.


Could you point us in the direction of those posters at MADB who give 100% authoritative answers to doctrinal questions regarding things LDS?


I'm interested in seeing this, too. I'm sure Coggins is "just warming up," and will soon usher forth all kinds of evidence. Such as the evidence he went begging for (and did not receive) after Dartagnan kicked his butt on the Book of Abraham issue.
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Good point. juliann has really laid claim to this particular Mopologetic gambit of clinging desperately to the notion of "continuing revelation," despite the fact that GBH has said things that indicate that very little---if any at all---"continuing revelation" is forthcoming. Another popular spin technique of hers is the "we don't know what's going to happen!" excuse, which she uses to smooth over qualms about polygamy in the CK.


The above garbled mass of mischacterizations and open deceptions is pure Scratch, shaken, not stirred. No point in even responding.

Gomer Pyle wrote:
Would you like to talk about what is or is not official doctrine, or Mitt Romney (given that Romney is not running for President of the Church but President of the United States)?



Romney has demonstrated pretty clearly that, from a political standpoint, he is embarrassed about many aspects of the Church. I was listening to an interview with him on NPR not too long ago, and poor Mitt blew his lid when the interviewer asked him if he believed in a literal interpretation of Genesis. And no: Romney never did answer the question.


1. How has he demonstrated that which you claim he has demonstrated?

2. Since the Church doesn't believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis in the manner in which the NPR interviewer certainly meant it (a Protestant Fundamentalist literalism), I'm not sure why Mitt would have been agitated (assuming, which is a big if, that your characterization of the interview is not just another of your dreary little fabrications).

3. Who cares what Mitt thinks about Genesis? What does that have to do with his qualifications to govern?
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Tidejwe wrote:
Jason Bourne wrote:Yes. Only men can have more then one spouse in LDS doctrine.


Heh...Try telling that to Zina Diantha Huntington Jacobs Smith Young, Marinda Hyde and other polyandry examples. :) Just sayin...


yea I started to say except for Polyandry wives, but I think they were only sealed to Joseph Smith for eternity so there they would not have their other hubbies forever.
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Coggins7 wrote:
The former governor of Massachusetts has had to be corrected publicly more than once recently by a spokesperson of the LDS Church regarding his own misstatements of LDS doctrine. If he only could be pointed in the direction of that veritable fountain of doctrinal LDS truth that is MADB, perhaps that could be avoided.


That may very well be the case, but he could also just peruse a few years worth of Priesthood manuals to get the same information. Much of what is discussed at MAD is on the periphery of Gospel doctrine and philosophy, and that's open territory (to some extent).


So:

1) Jesus and Satan are brothers? Yes or no?

2) The second coming of Jesus Christ will not be in Missouri? Yes or no?

3) Latter-day Saints believe man is god in embryo? Yes or no?
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I'm interested in seeing this, too. I'm sure Coggins is "just warming up," and will soon usher forth all kinds of evidence. Such as the evidence he went begging for (and did not receive) after Dartagnan kicked his butt on the Book of Abraham issue.



1. Dartagnon didn't "kick my butt" on the Book of Abraham issue because most of his text in these kinds of posts involves little more than calling those who disagree with him "stupid" and "idiots". The rest is long mowed over grass that is no farther along, as to certainty or finality, than it was 30 years ago.

2. The consensus at MAD was that the archives were full of material dealing with this and there was nobody that was really interested in starting a new thread on the subject. Everyone's waiting for Metcalf's critical edition to see where that leads. There's nothing new under the sun, in a scholarly sense, regarding Book of Abraham origin issues. The critics have their hypothesis and theories, we have ours. Dartagnon pretends to certitude that quite simply is a figment of his imagination.

3. That Scratch can't even characterize this honestly is no surprise at all.
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So:

1) Jesus and Satan are brothers? Yes or no?


Yes.

2) The second coming of Jesus Christ will not be in Missouri? Yes or no?

Which coming? LDS doctrine teaches that there will be several, including Adam Ondi Ahman, His appearance on the Mount of Olives, and a general appearance to the entire world. He may indeed, appear in Missouri, as this will one of the two major world capitals during the Millennium.

3) Latter-day Saints believe man is god in embryo? Yes or no?

Yes.[/quote]
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Coggins7 wrote:
Good point. juliann has really laid claim to this particular Mopologetic gambit of clinging desperately to the notion of "continuing revelation," despite the fact that GBH has said things that indicate that very little---if any at all---"continuing revelation" is forthcoming. Another popular spin technique of hers is the "we don't know what's going to happen!" excuse, which she uses to smooth over qualms about polygamy in the CK.


The above garbled mass of mischacterizations and open deceptions is pure Scratch, shaken, not stirred. No point in even responding.


Obviously, Coggins is too lazy/stupid to go over to MAD and confirm/disprove what I've said.

Romney has demonstrated pretty clearly that, from a political standpoint, he is embarrassed about many aspects of the Church. I was listening to an interview with him on NPR not too long ago, and poor Mitt blew his lid when the interviewer asked him if he believed in a literal interpretation of Genesis. And no: Romney never did answer the question.


1. How has he demonstrated that which you claim he has demonstrated?


Romney has repeatedly---and by "repeatedly," I mean literally dozens of times---dodged questions pertaining to the Church, or his loyalty to the Church, etc.

2. Since the Church doesn't believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis in the manner in which the NPR interviewer certainly meant it (a Protestant Fundamentalist literalism), I'm not sure why Mitt would have been agitated (assuming, which is a big if, that your characterization of the interview is not just another of your dreary little fabrications).


The interviewer meant it in the most basic sense: i.e., "Do you, Mitt, believe that God created the Earth in six days? And that Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit? And that there was a global flood?" etc. I guess Mitt can feel lucky that he wasn't asked about the Garden of Eden being in Missouri. (Since that would have been just yet another reason for him to demonstrate his embarrassment.)

3. Who cares what Mitt thinks about Genesis? What does that have to do with his qualifications to govern?


Mitt's devotion/loyalty to the LDS Church---which is in and of itself a very powerful ideology---says all sorts of things about his "qualifications to govern."
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Coggins7 wrote:
3) Latter-day Saints believe man is god in embryo? Yes or no?


Yes.


You might want to get that word to President Hinckley.
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Coggins7 wrote:
I'm interested in seeing this, too. I'm sure Coggins is "just warming up," and will soon usher forth all kinds of evidence. Such as the evidence he went begging for (and did not receive) after Dartagnan kicked his butt on the Book of Abraham issue.



1. Dartagnon didn't "kick my butt" on the Book of Abraham issue because most of his text in these kinds of posts involves little more than calling those who disagree with him "stupid" and "idiots". The rest is long mowed over grass that is no farther along, as to certainty or finality, than it was 30 years ago.

2. The consensus at MAD was that the archives were full of material dealing with this and there was nobody that was really interested in starting a new thread on the subject.


In other words, "No one at MAD would help me out, and I was too lazy to look anything up." I am blown away by the intellectual rigor and seriousness of this approach.
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