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harmony wrote:
A candidate's religion, and how deeply the candidate practices their religion, is a viable factor in politics. Not everyone in this country is whatever the religion the candidate is. I want to know how the candidate deals with reality. Looking at religion can give insight into the candidate's way of looking at reality.


You are surely joking! What questions have you seen being asked of Hilary or Obama or even Huckabie? So you really think everyone wants to know this? Only Mitt. So why is that?
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charity wrote:
harmony wrote:
A candidate's religion, and how deeply the candidate practices their religion, is a viable factor in politics. Not everyone in this country is whatever the religion the candidate is. I want to know how the candidate deals with reality. Looking at religion can give insight into the candidate's way of looking at reality.


You are surely joking! What questions have you seen being asked of Hilary or Obama or even Huckabie? So you really think everyone wants to know this? Only Mitt. So why is that?


That sounds like a persecution complex. Charity, you might want to either pay more attention to the campaign process or do your research before you post, because your assertion is incorrect and uninformed.
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charity wrote:This is not a correct statement. While the mentally challenged of the population may Twitter over whether the president wears boxers or briefs, at least the intelligent try to put up the facade of going by the Constitution, making a reasoned decision based on information. For them, and reporters generally are supposed to more intellignet than many having gone to college (boy do I wish I had a smilie to put in here for that concept!) to ask questions about religious clothing and your belief in a global flood just doesn't fit that scenario.


I think that one's believe in a global flood has a lot to do with whether that person has the kind of critical thinking skills needed to make tough decisions as President. Today we know without a shadow of a doubt, through hoards and reams and mountains of physical evidence, that the Flood of Noah described in Genesis, as a global flood, did not happen. For someone to overlook all of that information and evidence and decide that it in fact did happen, tells me a lot about the way this person's epistemology. We've already had one president willing to shape the intelligence coming in and make assumptions about it based on faith and not facts, I don't think we need another. And I voted for this guy twice. But I wouldn't do it again, and I wouldn't vote for a guy who thinks the Flood happened either.
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Post by _truth dancer »

Charity...

While the mentally challenged of the population may Twitter over whether the president wears boxers or briefs, at least the intelligent try to put up the facade of going by the Constitution..


Stop mocking those with mental impairments or handicaps.



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Coggins7 wrote:Gender has nothing to do with the ability to govern.


Keep that in mind the next time we sustain our leaders.
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charity wrote:
harmony wrote:
A candidate's religion, and how deeply the candidate practices their religion, is a viable factor in politics. Not everyone in this country is whatever the religion the candidate is. I want to know how the candidate deals with reality. Looking at religion can give insight into the candidate's way of looking at reality.


You are surely joking! What questions have you seen being asked of Hilary or Obama or even Huckabie? So you really think everyone wants to know this? Only Mitt. So why is that?


Hana has a whole raft of links to just those sorts of questions on the other thread, charity. Your ignorance is showing again. Please try to be a little less ethnocentric in your posts. You're making us look like hicks from the sticks.
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Wow. Well, at least Coggs is honest about all of this. It would be fun to hear DCP or Bill Hamblin admit that all they are doing is "breaking down walls" and attacking critics just for the hell of it. Translated, this post basically says, "Who cares about 'evidence'? All I need is my testimony, which will never be shaken."


Go right ahead Scratch, ask DCP, Hamblin, or any of them, if they understand their apologetic work as attempting to prove the Gospel is true to either other LDS or to nonmembers. Let's see Scratch.



If Bill Clinton's relationship w/ M. Lewinski "could have seriously compromised his ability to govern" (and just how might that have worked, I wonder?)


Its called blackmail Scratch, and Dick Morris set could have set himself up for precisely the same thing given the very similar behavior he was caught engaging in as a White House insider.

then it seems perfectly reasonable to assume that Romney's various "conferences" with the Brethren (not to mention his temple oaths) might "seriously compromise" his ability to serve the best interests of the American public.


Care to tell us just why this might be?
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Post by _Coggins7 »

A candidate's religion, and how deeply the candidate practices their religion, is a viable factor in politics. Not everyone in this country is whatever the religion the candidate is. I want to know how the candidate deals with reality. Looking at religion can give insight into the candidate's way of looking at reality.



And what, pray tell me, does belief in the literal truth of the Fall, or in a global flood, have to do with dealing with Iran, or tax policy?
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Post by _Moniker »

Coggins7 wrote:
A candidate's religion, and how deeply the candidate practices their religion, is a viable factor in politics. Not everyone in this country is whatever the religion the candidate is. I want to know how the candidate deals with reality. Looking at religion can give insight into the candidate's way of looking at reality.



And what, pray tell me, does belief in the literal truth of the Fall, or in a global flood, have to do with dealing with Iran, or tax policy?


I think it speaks to the evolution vs. ID debate. For one.

Other issues that may relate to religious persuasion:

Stem cell research. Abortion. Social welfare. Vouchers. Homosexual issues.

Bush -- faith based initiatives that provides grants to religious institutions.

There are plenty of ways in which religious views can be reflected in policy.
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I think that one's believe in a global flood has a lot to do with whether that person has the kind of critical thinking skills needed to make tough decisions as President. Today we know without a shadow of a doubt, through hoards and reams and mountains of physical evidence, that the Flood of Noah described in Genesis, as a global flood, did not happen. For someone to overlook all of that information and evidence and decide that it in fact did happen, tells me a lot about the way this person's epistemology. We've already had one president willing to shape the intelligence coming in and make assumptions about it based on faith and not facts, I don't think we need another. And I voted for this guy twice. But I wouldn't do it again, and I wouldn't vote for a guy who thinks the Flood happened either.



You're intellectual credibility continues to deteriorate. What a shame.

Your claims, regarding Bush, that he did "shape the intelligence coming in and make assumptions about it based on faith and not facts" is long discredited MoveOn.org and NY Times hokum and in bringing this up, you have fairly discredited yourself as a critical thinker-precisely what you have attempted to do to anyone who holds religious beliefs, or concepts based on faith in lieu of positive proof. You have just exposed yourself to be a bit of a hypocrite. Now, we all know that you are perfectly capable of engaging in critical thought-until you, as a human being, swimming in subjective subjective perceptual, psychological, and intellectual bias like the rest of us, encounter certain issues or ideas. At that point, critical thought may meet its relative match.

Richard Dawkins is cock sure there is no God, a belief, given the actual evidence within nature that can easily and logically by interpreted to imply ythe contrary, just as indicative of a mind bereft of critical reasoning abilities as one might ascribe to Jerry Falwell. There are different biases and assumptions among human beings for which 'critical reason" is not the beginning and end of all possible forms of justification. But of course, human thought, including critical thought, is not a simple liner process of logical cogitation that proceeds in a mental compartment sealed from other dynamics. Human psychology is far more complex and plastic than your apparent model of critical thought in which critical thought is itself not a human created methodology but some kind of external software program that can be plugged into the human mind and run independently of other psychological, perceptual, and intellectual variables.

You have failed to show why a belief in a global flood would have anything to do with a President's ability to do his job, including promote legislation, engage in foreign policy, and function as Commander in Chief. John F. Kennedy functioned in these capacities while believing in Transubstantiation, the Virgin Birth, and the mystery of the Mass.

Practical policy matters do not seem to me to be analogous to ultimate questions of human existence or ancient events taken on faith for which there may not be scientific proof, especially as with the idea of the Flood, there is no conceivable policy ramifications to believing or not believing it. Hillary Clinton believes in socialized medicine, a concept that has been long discredited empirically everywhere it has ever been tried. Yet, she believes in it still. Critical reason is not an oracle; it is a tool, and it can never be utilized an a "pure" manner by human beings.
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