Comparison of Joseph Smith to King David

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Jason Bourne wrote:Last of all, according to William Marks Joseph did indeed repent of polygamy and planned to do away with it. Unfortunately he was murdered before he had the chance.


Joseph Smith "repented" of polygamy at least a couple times. On one occasion he even promised Emma that he'd give it up entirely. But he returned to his vomit, I'm afraid.
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Jason Bourne wrote:
richardMdBorn wrote:
Jason Bourne wrote:
richardMdBorn wrote:The difference is that David was confronted by Nathan and repented. Joseph Smith was not confronted, apart from women rejecting him, and did not repent.


He didn't? How do you know? And David....hmmm he murdered to get one of his wives. I do not think Smith did that.

Oh and David did not repent of polygamy now did he. Nathan did not require that of him

Last of all, according to William Marks Joseph did indeed repent of polygamy and planned to do away with it. Unfortunately he was murdered before he had the chance.
Why did Joseph Smith order the destruction of the printing press for the Nauvoo Expositor? It seems to me that he was disturbed that the sole issue of this paper revealed that he was practicing polygamy. This does not seem consistent with the idea that he planned to do away with it. On 5/26/1844, he stated, "What a thing it is for a man to be accused of committing adultery, and having seven wives, when I can only find one." Thus, he was lying about polygamy a month before his murder on 6/27/44.


Smith was in a no win here. Even if he planned to do away with it he still wanted to keep it a secret. In fact, keeping it a secret was even more important if he planned to so away with it.

Oh can can you please address my other points above about David and Smith? Joseph Smith did not commit murder to get a wife. David did. David was not required to repent of polygamy. Why do you think Joseph was?
What did Jesus say about the Old Testament and divorce?
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richardMdBorn wrote:
Jason Bourne wrote:
richardMdBorn wrote:
Jason Bourne wrote:
richardMdBorn wrote:The difference is that David was confronted by Nathan and repented. Joseph Smith was not confronted, apart from women rejecting him, and did not repent.


He didn't? How do you know? And David....hmmm he murdered to get one of his wives. I do not think Smith did that.

Oh and David did not repent of polygamy now did he. Nathan did not require that of him

Last of all, according to William Marks Joseph did indeed repent of polygamy and planned to do away with it. Unfortunately he was murdered before he had the chance.
Why did Joseph Smith order the destruction of the printing press for the Nauvoo Expositor? It seems to me that he was disturbed that the sole issue of this paper revealed that he was practicing polygamy. This does not seem consistent with the idea that he planned to do away with it. On 5/26/1844, he stated, "What a thing it is for a man to be accused of committing adultery, and having seven wives, when I can only find one." Thus, he was lying about polygamy a month before his murder on 6/27/44.


Smith was in a no win here. Even if he planned to do away with it he still wanted to keep it a secret. In fact, keeping it a secret was even more important if he planned to so away with it.

Oh can can you please address my other points above about David and Smith? Joseph Smith did not commit murder to get a wife. David did. David was not required to repent of polygamy. Why do you think Joseph was?
What did Jesus say about the Old Testament and divorce?


Not relevant here. Please answer the questions?
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I have to agree with most of what Jason has said. One thing that could be mentioned though is that Joseph sent away Orson Hyde on a "Mission", only to marry his wife while he was gone. Brigham Young later followed Joseph's lead with Henry Jacobs...Only when they returned, Joseph let Orson have his wife back....Brigham told Henry to find a new one.
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Tidejwe wrote:I have to agree with most of what Jason has said. One thing that could be mentioned though is that Joseph sent away Orson Hyde on a "Mission", only to marry his wife while he was gone. Brigham Young later followed Joseph's lead with Henry Jacobs...Only when they returned, Joseph let Orson have his wife back....Brigham told Henry to find a new one.


Can anyone imagine getting their "wife back" after such a thing? I can imagine that would be a bit awkward and stressful for a marriage. Geez.
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Jason Bourne wrote:
richardMdBorn wrote:
Jason Bourne wrote:
richardMdBorn wrote:
Jason Bourne wrote:
richardMdBorn wrote:The difference is that David was confronted by Nathan and repented. Joseph Smith was not confronted, apart from women rejecting him, and did not repent.


He didn't? How do you know? And David....hmmm he murdered to get one of his wives. I do not think Smith did that.

Oh and David did not repent of polygamy now did he. Nathan did not require that of him

Last of all, according to William Marks Joseph did indeed repent of polygamy and planned to do away with it. Unfortunately he was murdered before he had the chance.
Why did Joseph Smith order the destruction of the printing press for the Nauvoo Expositor? It seems to me that he was disturbed that the sole issue of this paper revealed that he was practicing polygamy. This does not seem consistent with the idea that he planned to do away with it. On 5/26/1844, he stated, "What a thing it is for a man to be accused of committing adultery, and having seven wives, when I can only find one." Thus, he was lying about polygamy a month before his murder on 6/27/44.


Smith was in a no win here. Even if he planned to do away with it he still wanted to keep it a secret. In fact, keeping it a secret was even more important if he planned to so away with it.

Oh can can you please address my other points above about David and Smith? Joseph Smith did not commit murder to get a wife. David did. David was not required to repent of polygamy. Why do you think Joseph was?
What did Jesus say about the Old Testament and divorce?


Not relevant here. Please answer the questions?
My issue is not polygamy per se (not that I think that it was a good thing). It is

1) His repeated lies about it.

2) His stealing other men's wives.

3) His threatening young women if they refused to marry him.

4) His violating the restrictions in Lev 18. Joseph Smith did not obey even God's Old Testament restrictions on polygamy.
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Seth,

ps: Gaz, what made you think that picture was a good idea? I'm not alone in being a little mystified by that particular choice.


Because the other "Nigga please" images available were the Pope and Adolf Hitler. I liked the Skeletor one best.
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Liz,

All my thoughts on Polygamy have been expressed to you on the other threads where we conversed on the subject.

If you believe in Christ, then you believe in the God of Abraham, Isacc and Jacob. All of these men practised polygamy, which in reality is the practice of plural families.

Having a family sealed to you is in fact declaring yourself responsible over them, and announcing to the Lord your desire to be judged by them. This is in fact immitating Christ and his placing his name upon you in the waters of baptism.

Davids fall from grace came from his act of murder, not his acts of having plural wives.
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Gaz wrote:Davids fall from grace came from his act of murder, not his acts of having plural wives.



Didn't David's fall from grace begin with his adultery? That was, after all, what motivated the murder to being with.
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liz3564 wrote:
Gaz wrote:Davids fall from grace came from his act of murder, not his acts of having plural wives.



Didn't David's fall from grace begin with his adultery? That was, after all, what motivated the murder to being with.


I'm surprised Gaz hasn't blamed the whole thing on Bathsheba. It's obvious that it's all her fault.
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