More on the Purpose of FARMS

[_Coggins7]

The idea that the FARMS apologists are in charge of the henhouse, not the GA's, is very disturbing. Apologists have no stewardship, no calling, no setting apart that gives them the mantle and keys needed to declare doctrine.

We're all in trouble, if Daniel's in charge.

Yes, especially since if Daniel's in charge, Harmony most certainly won't be. In fact, with the GAs in charge, as they in point of fact are, Harmony cannot access the halls of doctrinal and practice and molten the golden calf she's been angling for her entire career on the anti-Mormon internet.

You know, its so, very, very obvious that what really, really bugs this person is that she doesn't get to steady the Ark. It isn't that DCP is doing so or is trying to, its that if there is any steadying to be done, she wants a place at the table when the food fight starts.

[_Coggins7]

Which we all know is balderdash. Of course there's an official relationship. Hello? FARMS is housed at BYU. It's staffed by BYU staffers. It's bills are paid by BYU. And the church owns BYU lock, stock, and barrel. The rest is just smoke and mirrors.

For which you'll need some factual documentation to make your case. There is nothing implausible about the Neal Maxwell Center being a part of BYU and at the same time having no official relationship with the GAs.

Prove your point, of cease your babbling.

[_Coggins7]

I don't know that I would go so far as to say that they are "in charge," so much as that they function as a buffer for the doubting/unsure GAs.

Sources?

[_harmony]

Which we all know is balderdash. Of course there's an official relationship. Hello? FARMS is housed at BYU. It's staffed by BYU staffers. It's bills are paid by BYU. And the church owns BYU lock, stock, and barrel. The rest is just smoke and mirrors.

For which you'll need some factual documentation to make your case. There is nothing implausible about the Neal Maxwell Center being a part of BYU and at the same time having no official relationship with the GAs.

Prove your point, of cease your babbling.

Follow the money trail, Loran.

FARMS/Maxwell is housed at BYU.
BYU pays their bills, pays their staff, gives them an office.
The church owns BYU.
Therefore, the church owns FARMS.

[_Coggins7]

FARMS/Maxwell is housed at BYU.
BYU pays their bills, pays their staff, gives them an office.
The church owns BYU.
Therefore, the church owns FARMS.

A valid valid deductive argument is one in which the conclusion, if the premises are assumed to be true, follows necessarily from the premises. The problem with this argument is clearly the conclusion. There is no necessary reason to believe that because BYU shares staff, office space, and financial responsibilities with FARMS, and that BYU is owned by the Church, that FARMS is owned by the Church.

There is no logical reason why FARMS cannot be an independent entity and still work in a close relationship with a Church owned institution. The Church, in years past, paid my rent on occasion, yet they never owned my apartment.

You can't show that FARMS physical presence on BYU property and access to BYU staff is proof of ownership by the Church, at least , not logically.

Bring us the documentation.

[_harmony]

FARMS/Maxwell is housed at BYU.
BYU pays their bills, pays their staff, gives them an office.
The church owns BYU.
Therefore, the church owns FARMS.

A valid valid deductive argument is one in which the conclusion, if the premises are assumed to be true, follows necessarily from the premises. The problem with this argument is clearly the conclusion. There is no necessary reason to believe that because BYU shares staff, office space, and financial responsibilities with FARMS, and that BYU is owned by the Church, that FARMS is owned by the Church.

There is no logical reason why FARMS cannot be an independent entity and still work in a close relationship with a Church owned institution. The Church, in years past, paid my rent on occasion, yet they never owned my apartment.

ROTFL. They've owned you for years, Loran!

Whoever pays the bills calls the tune.

You can't show that FARMS physical presence on BYU property and access to BYU staff is proof of ownership by the Church, at least , not logically.

And pigs fly.

Bring us the documentation.

You wouldn't know documentation if it bit you in the butt, Loran.

[Dr. Sunstoned]

FARMS/Maxwell is housed at BYU.
BYU pays their bills, pays their staff, gives them an office.
The church owns BYU.
Therefore, the church owns FARMS.

Harmony, Chairperson of the Foundation For the Study of Post Menstrual Restless Leg Syndrome, is housed at Screw U's Woman's Studies department.

Screw U pays their bills, pays their staff, and gives them an office.

Screw U is owned by the Russian mafia

Therefore, the Russian mafia owns the Foundation For the Study of Post Menstrual Restless Leg Syndrome, and there must be an official relationship between them.

[_Coggins7]

Whoever pays the bills calls the tune.

False. That can only be proved on a case by case basis with actual evidence, not weak logical leaps.

And pigs fly.

The fallacy in reasoning here is, quite obviously, the connection between shared resources between a mediating institution and ownership, a connection that can in no way be necessarily implied from your premises. Although you have not demonstrated anything logically, you certainly see psychological value in making the connection.

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Bring us the documentation.

You wouldn't know documentation if it bit you in the butt, Loran.

Just as I thought.

[_LCD2YOU]

To someone outside your little circle of cheerleaders, these posts are just bunk. You haven't read or udnerstood a word of what was said in the dialogue. And then you make an absolutelyu untrue interpretaiton by saying that General Authorities are doubters! And that they don't interpret Church doctrine.

Let me say, this falls right into the standard, laughable anti-Mormon strategies. Misunderstand, mistinerpret, write up out of whole clothoutrageous things, and then point fingers and mock and ridicule.

The worship of Daniel continues.

No, just the pathetic truth.

Yes, that you think for even a second that FARMS is anything like a scholarly review and that they are even close to the truth is pathetic.

[_Dr. Shades]

The idea that the FARMS apologists are in charge of the henhouse, not the GA's, is very disturbing. Apologists have no stewardship, no calling, no setting apart that gives them the mantle and keys needed to declare doctrine.

We're all in trouble, if Daniel's in charge.

Well, think about it: Who better to be in charge than Daniel? Gordon "I don't know that we teach that" Hinckley?

And, you know, I am reminded of the whole "2nd Watson Letter" Fiasco, which really just adds more weight to my main point.

Speaking of which, I find it telling that they deny and spin away all the witnesses to Solomon Spalding's Manuscript Found, yet expect us all to uncritically accept the existence of the "2nd Watson Letter" just on their say-so.