Where does Gordon live?

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_Jason Bourne
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Re: Where does Gordon live?

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If one doesn't like what the Church is doing with one's money, then quit.




1: One who gives does not know for sure what the Church does because the Church doesn't tell.

2: Your suggestion that one should just quit is idiotic and uncharitable. You continue to reflect badly the attributes of Christ.
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Re: Where does Gordon live?

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Jason Bourne wrote:
Pres Hinckley lives in a church owned condo in downtown SLC. It is estimates to be worth about 1.5 million but probably has dropped since then as realestate is Utah is on the decline. The Church bought this condo years ago for their church president and he lives there primarily for security reasons and also for assistance with living and health issues as he ages. His home before that was in the Millcreek area, a modest home that he bought many years ago himself and bilt on to it himself as he needed to. Neither of these is anywhere near mansion status. All other GAs live in their own homes that most bought before they were ever called to be GAs.



Do you mind divulging the source of your information, or explain why I should believe you. I'm willing to believe you, I just need more than a little faith to do so.

Thanks!

GoodK
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Here's a Canadian website where you can find out financial information on the LDS Church.

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/ebci/haip/srch ... Validate-e

If you scroll down you'll find some LDS and then click on the name of the Church. Then scroll down the next page where the Church information is displayed and click on "Registered Charity Information Returned". You'll then find different years you can choose from.

I'm too lazy to do much more than that. Yet, again, there are other countries where the LDS Church does have to disclose revenue, assets, and expenditures.
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Re: Where does Gordon live?

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How many GA's do you know, how much do they make, and how do you know they make this amount? Surely you don't think these vague assurances are acceptable. The fact that you won't even give us a number makes me think you are intentionally dishonest about this.


Certainly what follows from me is anecdotal only.

The only GA I know personally is one of the most honest, kind and loving persons I know. He was an small town attorney before he was called to be GA and jis family also had a diary farm. I have no idea what he made prior to his call to the First Quorum of the 70. When I once asked him what he missed about his former life he said "well sometimes the income. It is tough to make it on what I get as a GA." He had a large family. At times on his Monday off, he would do legal work on the side to supplement his income.

Based on what he said I do not think he is raking on the $$$. He has never written a book in his 17 years as a GA either.
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Re: Where does Gordon live?

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A lot of calling for evidence here, and to my dismay nothing you have said seems verifiable in the slightest bit. I would love to believe you, please convince me !


I admit my experience with my grandfather (backed up by my grandmother) is hearsay, but it is stronger than bare assertions you've made.


How many GA's do you know, how much do they make, and how do you know they make this amount? Surely you don't think these vague assurances are acceptable. The fact that you won't even give us a number makes me think you are intentionally dishonest about this.


You accuse me of dishonesty pretty quickly. And anonymously too. Why were you banned from MAD? Hmm.

I don't know what a single GA makes; none has ever told me. But I see how they live. Except those who were multimillionaires before they were called, they live very modestly.

Scratch at least mentioned a website. You mentioned your grandpa and your "friend". Forgive me if I'm not compelled in the slightest by your "evidence", and please tell me where I can find my own.

What does most modest mean? And how would you know if the records are sealed? What kind of proof can you offer to support your claims (remember, Scratch was mostly speculating, you seem quite certain)


Records are not "sealed." They are not disclosed publicly. I don't need to prove that to anybody; it is axiomatic in Mormon discussions.

So, you have from me hearsay statements from persons I have known who have supported GAs, a person who works for the Church, and my own eyewitness evidence as to how they appear to live. Sorry, I don't have a spreadsheet to give you. I do know the Church doesn't pay me a dime for the 30 hours a week I put in as a bishop.

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Moniker wrote:Here's a Canadian website where you can find out financial information on the LDS Church.

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/ebci/haip/srch ... Validate-e

If you scroll down you'll find some LDS and then click on the name of the Church. Then scroll down the next page where the Church information is displayed and click on "Registered Charity Information Returned". You'll then find different years you can choose from.

I'm too lazy to do much more than that. Yet, again, there are other countries where the LDS Church does have to disclose revenue, assets, and expenditures.


Brilliant! Please let me buy you a beer. I wish there was a smilie buying another smilie a beer, because I'd use it right now.

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GoodK wrote:
Moniker wrote:Here's a Canadian website where you can find out financial information on the LDS Church.

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/ebci/haip/srch ... Validate-e

If you scroll down you'll find some LDS and then click on the name of the Church. Then scroll down the next page where the Church information is displayed and click on "Registered Charity Information Returned". You'll then find different years you can choose from.

I'm too lazy to do much more than that. Yet, again, there are other countries where the LDS Church does have to disclose revenue, assets, and expenditures.


Brilliant! Please let me buy you a beer. I wish there was a smilie buying another smilie a beer, because I'd use it right now.

GoodK


I'll take a high caffeinated soda! But, thanks, and good luck with your research. :)
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GoodK wrote:Brilliant! Please let me buy you a beer. I wish there was a smilie buying another smilie a beer, because I'd use it right now.

GoodK


Now perhaps you or Moniker can tell me how much a GA makes.
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Re: Where does Gordon live?

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GoodK wrote:
Jason Bourne wrote:
Pres Hinckley lives in a church owned condo in downtown SLC. It is estimates to be worth about 1.5 million but probably has dropped since then as realestate is Utah is on the decline. The Church bought this condo years ago for their church president and he lives there primarily for security reasons and also for assistance with living and health issues as he ages. His home before that was in the Millcreek area, a modest home that he bought many years ago himself and bilt on to it himself as he needed to. Neither of these is anywhere near mansion status. All other GAs live in their own homes that most bought before they were ever called to be GAs.



Do you mind divulging the source of your information, or explain why I should believe you. I'm willing to believe you, I just need more than a little faith to do so.

Thanks!

GoodK



I am not sure what you are looking for. This is fairly public knowledge. You can read about his home in Millcreek in any bio about his life.
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Post by _skippy the dead »

GoodK wrote:Brilliant! Please let me buy you a beer. I wish there was a smilie buying another smilie a beer, because I'd use it right now.

GoodK


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