Where does Gordon live?

[_GoodK]

This is a picture of the Mormon Prophet's 2400+ sq foot Condo estimated at $2.8 million dollars. The entire top floor belongs to the Prophet. There are "special" elevators that are guarded by Mormon Secret Police (men dressed in all black suits, white shirts and dark ties, ear pieces and microphones in their sleeves, who carry actual police looking "badges"). These elevators go down underground where tunnels allow the Prophet to travel to any part of Tempe Square without having to be driven. The tunnels are large enough that Hinckley can be taken by private golf-cart.

I heard about the tunnels before, but I figured it was just a rumor.
Sounds a little like the Batcave...

I heard about the tunnels before, but I figured it was just a rumor.
Sounds a little like the Batcave...

Any Utahns recognize this building? Any idea what the cross streets might be so I can go on a stake-out?

[_Mister Scratch]

This is a tough question since the books have been sealed since around the late 1950s. During Spencer Kimball's administration, GAs were urged to let go of their secular positions, since those positions made it seems as if the Church were more interested in secular accomplishment than spirituality. (Many GAs at the time were heads of big corporations and so forth.) As to how much they make.... Again, all we can go by is estimates, and anecdotal accounts from both believing and lapsed LDS. The range appears to span from about $75,000 (on the low end) to over $500,000 on the high end. And again: I'm not sure if there is variance based on seniority---I.e., if, say, Oaks gets more money than somebody lower down on the totem pole.

Something which shouldn't be overlooked is the rather large sums commanded by the GAs for their publications. I think it's fair to assume that they pull in beaucoup profits from their books, which have a built-in readership. (Just ask Paul Dunn.) The real issue at stake beneath all of this, I think, is the tendency among TBMs to want to insist---strenuously---that the GAs don't "profit" from their high position in the Church. I think that is a falsehood. It seems transparently obvious that the GAs profit enormously from the positions. The fact that Church mythology tries to pooh-pooh away GA financial profit in the midst of so much financial secrecy cannot help but raise more than a few eyebrows.

You have no proof. It just isn't true, based upon the general authorities I know.

Oh, really? And which GAs do you know?

Although some were wealthy men before they were called to church service, my grandfather who was a wealthy man would support financially the families of one or two apostles at a time. Things have changed since then, but their stipends are most modest.

How much?

At one time, a close of friend of mine who worked for the Church said that he had the highest salary in the Church, and it wasn't that high.

Oh? Please---do tell.

I have found this information in various places on the web, from people rather like you: i.e., folks who have worked within the Church, or seen the records, etc. In other words: while I don't have verifiable information, I think the figures I named above are quite good.

The fact that records are closed to the public is not proof that stipends and benefits are high. Your evidence is evidence of nothing that records are closed.

rcrocket

I never said it was 'proof'. I said that it couldn't help but raise a few eyebrows.

[_moksha]

The fact that records are closed to the public is not proof that stipends and benefits are high. Your evidence is evidence of nothing that records are closed.

rcrocket

The records are closed? Are you sure? That would give the appearance of impropriety that we are urged against, would it not?




Where are those smilies?

[_Ray A]

I read somewhere it was a multi-million dollar mansion, anyone know anyother details??

This is one of his overseas lodges:



I understand he also had several in Iraq before the invasion, but after inside tips from US Intelligence about the forthcoming invasion, he quickly signed them over to Saddam.

[_Jason Bourne]

I'm looking for the reason you believe his condo is worth $1.5 million, as opposed to $5.1 million, or $36,000, or any other amount. You seem to know the value, so I would just like to know how you know this.

I recall reading it in an article a few years back. Infymus claims it is 2,8 million but gives no reference of for that. He also says Pres Hinckley owns it. That is not correct. The LDS Church owns it. When he dies the next LDS president will more likely then not live there.

So what if it is the whole top floor? So what if there are elevators with tunnels to his offices? It makes sense he has guards. He has a very high profile position. He needs protection.

Having a place like this for their Church president makes total sense.

Now let me ask you a question or two.

Why do you care?

Why should we answer you?

What is your intent?

Why did you insinuate he lived in a mansion when you apparently had no idea where he lived?

What do you want to do with the information?

[_asbestosman]

So what if it is the whole top floor? So what if there are elevators with tunnels to his offices? It makes sense he has guards. He has a very high profile position. He needs protection.

I thought God and angels would be protection enough . . .

I know, I know. Don't tempt God, and we always do our best first. That said, I'm not so sure what'd be particularly bad if the prophet died more than if my local bishop died. Both would be tragic, would they not? Revelation would coninue, etc. The biggest difference is that more people know president Hinckley than know my bishop. Still, I'm not sure why he seems to get better protection than the rest of us. Heck, other GA's don't get the protection he does, do they?

[_charity]

So what if it is the whole top floor? So what if there are elevators with tunnels to his offices? It makes sense he has guards. He has a very high profile position. He needs protection.

I thought God and angels would be protection enough . . .

I know, I know. Don't tempt God, and we always do our best first. That said, I'm not so sure what'd be particularly bad if the prophet died more than if my local bishop died. Both would be tragic, would they not? Revelation would coninue, etc. The biggest difference is that more people know president Hinckley than know my bishop. Still, I'm not sure why he seems to get better protection than the rest of us. Heck, other GA's don't get the protection he does, do they?

People wouldn't see my bishop as a great threat. He has an ordinary 9 to 5 job, never appears on major TV shows, isn't the head of a world wide church organization. And according to his wife, he has never gotten a threatening letter or phone call. Except from his kids. SMILIE!

[_asbestosman]

People wouldn't see my bishop as a great threat. He has an ordinary 9 to 5 job, never appears on major TV shows, isn't the head of a world wide church organization. And according to his wife, he has never gotten a threatening letter or phone call. Except from his kids. SMILIE!

1) Jesus is the head, not the prophet.
2) President Hinckley is an exception in prophets as others generally only appeared on television as part of general conference.
3) President Hinckley isn't the only one who gets death threats. Why I remember an episode on this very board not to long ago.
4) The last GA I remember being threatened was the then Elder Hunter who was held hostage by a cellphone in duct-tape. Where was his at-home security?

[_harmony]

When Pres Hinckley was here several years ago, he had several bodyguards with him. His limo was driven into the building in which he spoke before he got out, and he was not allowed to shake hands with any of the members.

We all felt very sorry for him.

[_Scottie]

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Don't they have to disclose how money is spent, since they are a non-profit charity? Couldn't some prying and the Freedom of Information Act help shed some light on it.

Churches are not required to disclose financial information under the Freedom of information Act. That law applies to government entities. Churches are specifically excluded from having to provide financial information under the Internal revenue Code.

Does anyone know why this law exists? Why are churches immune from this?