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_Jason Bourne
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Re: Mike Quinn

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It seems odd that you think it would be odd. I may think Bertrand Russell is an illogical atheist but if he says something about Christianity with which I agree, and it supports my thesis, you bet I'd cite him because it is coming from the enemies' camp. Citing people of like mind is like preaching to the choir.


My comment was more along the lines of siting a source to support something I am writing and using in a factual this is the way it happened position. This is how Bushman quotes Quinn. Certainly if I am writing controversial stuff I may site someone I do not agree with. Bushman does not use Quinn as an enemy.
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Re: Mike Quinn

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rcrocket wrote:He was public about it and was seen in MHA meetings with his paramour.

Oh, bother. Here we go again. You are the only one to ever claim to have seen Quinn "with his paramour" at the 1980 or 1981 MHA conference (I think you characterized it as seeing Quinn holding hands with his "mate"). Significantly, in my opinion, no one else has ever made this claim.
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."

-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
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rcrocket wrote:Now, as I recall, at some point in his academic life -- around 1980 or so -- Quinn really didn't care one way or the other about people knowing of his orientation. He was public about it and was seen in MHA meetings with his paramour.


Two questions:

1) Who was his "paramour"?
2) Who---and I mean everyone---bore witness to this? If it was as "public" as you claim, it should be easy to conjure up a couple of witnesses, at least two or three, I would think.

But, quite naturally, that would set BYU Profs' tongues a-waggin', primarily because they wondered how long such a prominent person could last at BYU in his public condition.


But that's not how things work at BYU at all, and everyone knows it. If this kind of information had been circulated at the Lord's University, Quinn would have been given his walking papers in short order. We already have pretty clear information that BKP had it in for Quinn, and further, we know how BKP feels about homosexuality, as per his "little factory" talk. Your story doesn't make any sense at all, and further, we know that you have a tendency to distort the truth, as per your MMM article, documentation of which can be found on my blog.

Is that truly gossiping, when Dr. Quinn was open about it?


You are the only person I've ever heard claim that it was "open," and frankly, I don't think you're telling us the truth. You haven't ever provided any concrete details, and I have never heard anyone corroborate your story.

Come now; you continually anonymously smear Dr. Peterson of his talking about Quinn's orientation in the 1990s when it was all old news and public news.


So far as I am concerned, Quinn's homosexuality was not "public" until 1996, when he officially announced it. It may have been "old news," thanks to the gossiping of folks like DCP and yourself, Bishop Bob. Tell me: Do your parishioners know about your relaxed attitude towards sexual gossipmongering?

Quinn basically set himself up for all this chatter with his ridiculous same-sex dynamics book which really torpedoed his career for its silly concluusions.


See what I mean? You've just blown your own toes off. There is really no justification for the kind of gossip you, DCP, and the rest of your ilk have been engaging in. The best you can muster is, "He brought it on himself!" Further, the same-sex dynamics book was published almost twenty years after all of this gossip was taking place!

I was also working at BYU when Quinn was readying his magic book for publication, and it depended largely upon the legitimacy of the Salamander letter. Whilst in the midst of proofing, I recall (it was in a very advanced stage), the Hoffman affair was exposed and Quinn was forced to rewrite the book without the benefit of a major prong in his argument. The result was a very poor work which set himself up for failure. I say all this because by the mid-1990s, Dr. Quinn was a very public figure. I don't think that folks can be guilty of "gossip" for talking about a very public figure whose orientation was self-outed long before the gossip.


I'm not even sure what your point is here, unless it's some kind of lame attempt on your part to blame Quinn for your rotten behavior.

However, you continue to be the vile poster that you are, maliciously and anonymously attacking the reputations of real persons with little regard to the facts. Go ahead; I'm in your cross-hairs once again.

rcrocket


Right. And you continue to proffer baloney, evidence-free defenses of behavior which helped to destroy the career and livelihood of the greatest of all LDS historians.
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Re: Mike Quinn

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BishopRic wrote:
rcrocket wrote:
Bond...James Bond wrote:Too bad he's gay right?


Is he really? I didn't realize that. That explains a lot.


I'm very interested in what this means! Do "gays" think differently than straights?


Ric, Crock was being facetious. It's the introduction to yet another chapter of the Quinn story, ala Crock.
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Mister Scratch wrote:
Right. And you continue to proffer baloney, evidence-free defenses of behavior which helped to destroy the career and livelihood of the greatest of all LDS historians.


"Greatest?" What academic publisher has Dr. Quinn published his books at? Name one.
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Scratch, are you sure you're not Quinn?
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The Nehor wrote:Scratch, are you sure you're not Quinn?


No. He is not.

Scratch is smart but thinly read in Mormonania, Biblical history and exegesis and history in general.

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rcrocket wrote:What academic publisher has Dr. Quinn published his books at? Name one.

Board of Trustees of the University of Illinois.
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."

-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
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How deliciously ironic. I am reading this thread and replying to it from the Reading Room of Yale's Beinecke Library where I am working on the Mike Quinn papers. To quote the historian of Mormon studies I'm working with, Don Bradley, the Quinn papers are a "friggin' goldmine of riches." I concur. The depth and scope of his research is astonishing (as is his disciplined ability to index and cross reference his notes--something which speaks to his meticulousness as a researcher). I might add the faces of the librarians lit up when we put in our first accession requests yesterday: he is obviously still well regarded by the institution which once hosted him as a research fellow.
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Rollo Tomasi wrote:
rcrocket wrote:What academic publisher has Dr. Quinn published his books at? Name one.

Board of Trustees of the University of Illinois.


Which work? Any others?
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