FAIR releases online videos

Post by **_Mercury** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:42 pm

why me wrote:Go FAIR go! I say we need to give those men and women at FAIR a big hand for a job well done!!!

Maybe a firm hand accost the face. It might snap them out of their stupidity.

Post by **_LCD2YOU** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:59 pm

Hey skippy, isn't

"I am just sort of thinking out loud here"

another way of saying, "I just pulled this out of my a**"?

Post by **_skippy the dead** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:00 pm

LCD2YOU wrote:Hey skippy, isn't
"I am just sort of thinking out loud here"
another way of saying, "I just pulled this out of my a**"?

Why yes, I think it is!

Post by **_John Larsen** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:01 pm

You have to remember who the intended audience is. These guns are aimed squarely at home.

John

Post by **_truth dancer** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:47 pm

Hi Walmart... :-)

It is not about documenting every fact or detail.

Could they document anything? Anything at all? Just claiming something is not professional nor is it accurate.

It is about getting the message across to the general public.

What message?

And FAIR did a good job.

They did nothing but make unverified, undocumented claims. Worthless.

They made a video to try to give the impression that smart people have the answers and you can trust them.

I personally think these disingenuous arguments will backfire when believers find out the claims are distorted and twisted.

~dancer~

Post by **_harmony** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:57 pm

truth dancer wrote:I personally think these disingenuous arguments will backfire when believers find out the claims are distorted and twisted.

~dancer~

It is certainly not a given that believers will find out anything about these claims, TD.

How odd to see Brant with the other two.

Post by **_beastie** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:25 pm

I can see that I am dealing with non-professionals on this forum and so, allow me to educate you guys and gals of the internet. It is not about documenting every fact or detail. It is about getting the message across to the general public.

Ah yes, here's the message:

"We're just going to make a bunch of assertions that reputable archaeologists would find ludicrous, and you can take our word for the fact that these archaeologists are just a bunch of incompetents".

No, no need to document assertions that flatly contradict the findings of the experts in the field. None at all.

Post by **_why me** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:05 am

skippy the dead wrote:
why me wrote:I can see that I am dealing with non-professionals on this forum and so, allow me to educate you guys and gals of the internet. It is not about documenting every fact or detail. It is about getting the message across to the general public. And FAIR did a good job. As they pointed out in the video the lighthouse ministries gave a one-sided presentation during their attack on the Book of Mormon. It was not meant for Einsteins either.

When a person is making a video, the question that needs to be asked is: Who is the audience? And such was the case for FAIR. The videos are 6 minute soundbites for the general audience.

When the people are identified as "scholars" on the video, we have every right to expect that there is some actual scholarship behind their claims. Not "I'm just thinking out loud" and making unsupported statements ("we don't know what this means, so I can make up my only baseless theory"). I don't care what the lighthouse ministries did - it has no bearing on whether this propaganda has any validity.

No not really. When one sees scholar next to someone's name, it does lend creditiblity. However, when audience is taken into account and intent, I think that the FAIR videos were right on target. It was not meant for the scientific community nor for the community of scholars. The videos were meant for average people to counter lighthouse ministries.

The videos were basically made to counter the lighthouse ministry videos who also used 'scholars' for their videos. It was tit for tat in this case.

Post by **_why me** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:09 am

John Larsen wrote:You have to remember who the intended audience is. These guns are aimed squarely at home.

John

And at lighthouse ministries. Members come arcoss the lighthouse ministry video and are led astray by their one-sided propaganda. FAIR has made these video to counter their claim and to turn the tables on them, ie, the Bible by demonstrating that the Bible and the Book of Mormon are based on faith and not necessarily facts.

Post by **_why me** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:11 am

beastie wrote:
I can see that I am dealing with non-professionals on this forum and so, allow me to educate you guys and gals of the internet. It is not about documenting every fact or detail. It is about getting the message across to the general public.

Ah yes, here's the message:

"We're just going to make a bunch of assertions that reputable archaeologists would find ludicrous, and you can take our word for the fact that these archaeologists are just a bunch of incompetents".

No, no need to document assertions that flatly contradict the findings of the experts in the field. None at all.

Please be fair about FAIR and take your criticism also to lighthouse ministries about their own videos. FAIR did a good job. They admited the faith angle. In the end, the Book of Mormon will not be proven true by evidence and neither will the Bible. It is all based on faith and that is what FAIR attempted to demonstrate, rather successfully.