FAIR video and Horses in the Book of Mormon

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richardMdBorn wrote:
why me wrote:
skippy the dead wrote:
why me wrote:I have stated before many times on other forums: the same rules if applied to the Bible as they are applied to the Book of Mormon would show that the Bible is also unprovable.


Agreed! And it is!


But not on the lighthouse ministry videos. And that is the point of the FAIR videos. The lighthouse ministry neglected to inform its viewers that evidence can be quite lacking for the truthfulness of the Bible as it is for the Book of Mormon. Hence, as FAIR stressed: it is all a matter of faith.
If that's the case, then why does FARMS waste time arguing that there's evidence for the Book of Mormon?


No duh. I don't see how trying to find "facts" that prove the Book of Mormon ancient is helpful for making the point that faith Trump's facts.

The problem isn't just about countering the "other side's" propaganda, though from their point of view that's part of it, the problem is that Mormonism initially began as a "fact based" religion which drew on contemporary understandings of new world history (the "facts" of its day) for its truth claims. It is now on the long march to turning itself into a "faith based" relgion grounded in epistemological claims on an entirely different basis than its founder.
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The problem isn't just about countering the "other side's" propaganda, though from their point of view that's part of it, the problem is that Mormonism initially began as a "fact based" religion which drew on contemporary understandings of new world history (the "facts" of its day) for its truth claims. It is now on the long march to turning itself into a "faith based" relgion grounded in epistemological claims on an entirely different basis than its founder.


I just want to emphasize this, because believers so often don't seem to fully grasp this. The Book of Mormon, in fact, presented "facts" about ancient America that the larger society already believed and accepted as likely accurate. It's only today, with our increased knowledge base of ancient america, do these claims require a new spin.
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Outside of one of the entrances to Loltun Caves is a large phallic monument. This monolith is almost the height of a person, and is very anatomically correct.


Perhaps they had forgotten how to write in reformed egyption by this time, and this was their way of saying "Horses ahead".
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Infymus,

In one of its cavities, locally known as "Huechil" (from the Maya "Huech": armadillo), archaeological excavations were carried out, and in one of its lowest levels, extinct animal remains were found: mammoth


Did someone say Elephant? Ether 9:19
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Horses in the Book of Mormon:

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Hello There all here,

The Following are the Scriptural Passages, in the Book of Mormon, where the Horse is mentioned:


1 Nephi 18:
[25] And it came to pass that we did find upon the land of promise, as we journeyed in the wilderness, that there were beasts in the forests of every kind, both the cow and the ox, and the ass and the horse, and the goat and the wild goat, and all manner of wild animals, which were for the use of men. And we did find all manner of ore, both of gold, and of silver, and of copper.


Enos 1:
[21] And it came to pass that the people of Nephi did till the land, and raise all manner of grain, and of fruit, and flocks of herds, and flocks of all manner of cattle of every kind, and goats, and wild goats, and also many horses.


Alma 18:
[9] And they said unto him: Behold, he is feeding thy horses. Now the king had commanded his servants, previous to the time of the watering of their flocks, that they should prepare his horses and chariots, and conduct him forth to the land of Nephi; for there had been a great feast appointed at the land of Nephi, by the father of Lamoni, who was king over all the land.
[10] Now when king Lamoni heard that Ammon was preparing his horses and his chariots he was more astonished, because of the faithfulness of Ammon, saying: Surely there has not been any servant among all my servants that has been so faithful as this man; for even he doth remember all my commandments to execute them.
[12] And it came to pass that when Ammon had made ready the horses and the chariots for the king and his servants, he went in unto the king, and he saw that the countenance of the king was changed; therefore he was about to return out of his presence.


Alma 20:
[6] Now when Lamoni had heard this he caused that his servants should make ready his horses and his chariots.


3 Nephi 3:
[22] And it came to pass in the seventeenth year, in the latter end of the year, the proclamation of Lachoneus had gone forth throughout all the face of the land, and they had taken their horses, and their chariots, and their cattle, and all their flocks, and their herds, and their grain, and all their substance, and did march forth by thousands and by tens of thousands, until they had all gone forth to the place which had been appointed that they should gather themselves together, to defend themselves against their enemies.


3 Nephi 4:
[4] Therefore, there was no chance for the robbers to plunder and to obtain food, save it were to come up in open battle against the Nephites; and the Nephites being in one body, and having so great a number, and having reserved for themselves provisions, and horses and cattle, and flocks of every kind, that they might subsist for the space of seven years, in the which time they did hope to destroy the robbers from off the face of the land; and thus the eighteenth year did pass away.


3 Nephi 6:
[1] And now it came to pass that the people of the Nephites did all return to their own lands in the twenty and sixth year, every man, with his family, his flocks and his herds, his horses and his cattle, and all things whatsoever did belong unto them.


3 Nephi 21:
[14] Yea, wo be unto the Gentiles except they repent; for it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Father, that I will cut off thy horses out of the midst of thee, and I will destroy thy chariots;


Ether 9:
[19] And they also had horses, and asses, and there were elephants and cureloms and cumoms; all of which were useful unto man, and more especially the elephants and cureloms and cumoms.



The horse is also mentioned in the Scriptural Passages of 2 Nephi 12:7 and 2 Nephi 15:28, however those two Scriptural Passages are basically and virtually direct Quotations from the Scriptural Passages of Isaiah 2:7 and Isaiah 5:28, in the Old Testament of the Bible. The Scriptural Passage of 3 Nephi 21:14, is the Lord Jesus speaking to the Nephites. Link.
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krose wrote:
LCD2YOU wrote:This is the funniest part of mopologits.
This has got to be one of the funniest typos I've seen. (Or was the 'git' intentional? If so, it's still funny.
Two cookies to Beastie for really "gitting" my non-typo.

Seems too many apologists "git" their "infermayshun" from a "troo and writejesus" source and swallow.
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