wenglund wrote:To me, whether it be individuals or organizations of any type (for profit or charitable), the issue of financial disclosure falls under the right to privacy, and may only be violated when there are more compelling interests, such as trust issues and accountability.
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
Wade, what about that thought of avoiding the appearance of impropriety we hear so much about in other Church addresses? I usually associate organizations hiding their finances with some shenanigans of sorts. I am not saying such shenanigans occur, but it is hard to keep financial reins on a multi-billion dollar organization without the clarity of certifiable audits. Almost all other Churches provide annual financial reports. Does it really do the LDS Church justice to withhold information?
It does them justice if they are paying the leadership executive level salaries. And what exactly are they paying them for? Revelation? Do these gentlemen work? Do they deserve to be paid at all?
Are the answers to those questions any of your business? ;-)
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
I think it is my business. How they spend their money might not be, but what they are doing and how much they are getting is.
GoodK wrote:I read somewhere it was a multi-million dollar mansion, anyone know anyother details?? I also want to know about salary/stipend pay for General Authorities and any other indicators that the executives of the church have a compelling interest to keep attendance high.
Good God, GoodK! Do you really think the GAs take more than a negligible fraction of the church's billions of dollars? What evidence is there for that?? I have yet to see or hear any. Living in Salt Lake, you see GAs around sometimes, and they decidedly do not appear to me to be living high on the hog. I once saw James E. Faust leaving the grocery store in an ordinary car and while wearing ordinary clothes. Another GA, one of the 70, lived in our ward. He was reasonably well off, but clearly not living in luxury. And I'll never forget seeing Elder Hales, then the presiding bishop, at the $2.50 barber, where I'm sure all the important people went for hair care.
If you can see only self-serving reasons why the LDS leaders would continue in their positions, you need to look a little closer.
GoodK wrote:I read somewhere it was a multi-million dollar mansion, anyone know anyother details?? I also want to know about salary/stipend pay for General Authorities and any other indicators that the executives of the church have a compelling interest to keep attendance high.
Good God, GoodK! Do you really think the GAs take more than a negligible fraction of the church's billions of dollars? What evidence is there for that?? I have yet to see or hear any. Living in Salt Lake, you see GAs around sometimes, and they decidedly do not appear to me to be living high on the hog. I once saw James E. Faust leaving the grocery store in an ordinary car and while wearing ordinary clothes. Another GA, one of the 70, lived in our ward. He was reasonably well off, but clearly not living in luxury. And I'll never forget seeing Elder Hales, then the presiding bishop, at the $2.50 barber, where I'm sure all the important people went for hair care.
If you can see only self-serving reasons why the LDS leaders would continue in their positions, you need to look a little closer.
Don
I think Don's right. I mean look at Tommy's suits. Nuff said.
From the Ernest L. Wilkinson Diaries: "ELW dreams he's spattered w/ grease. Hundreds steal his greasy pants."
GoodK wrote:I read somewhere it was a multi-million dollar mansion, anyone know anyother details?? I also want to know about salary/stipend pay for General Authorities and any other indicators that the executives of the church have a compelling interest to keep attendance high.
Good God, GoodK! Do you really think the GAs take more than a negligible fraction of the church's billions of dollars? What evidence is there for that?? I have yet to see or hear any. Living in Salt Lake, you see GAs around sometimes, and they decidedly do not appear to me to be living high on the hog. I once saw James E. Faust leaving the grocery store in an ordinary car and while wearing ordinary clothes. Another GA, one of the 70, lived in our ward. He was reasonably well off, but clearly not living in luxury. And I'll never forget seeing Elder Hales, then the presiding bishop, at the $2.50 barber, where I'm sure all the important people went for hair care.
If you can see only self-serving reasons why the LDS leaders would continue in their positions, you need to look a little closer.
Don
I don't have any difficulty with leaders of the LDS Church receiving a stipend, which they clearly do; my only difficulty is that they rail so loudly against "paid clergy" in other faiths and act as though they're somehow exempt. Even "paid clergy" in other religions frequently don't make a lot of money, and really receive only what amounts to a stipend.
LDS General Authority stipends in recent years have been reported to be in the $75,000-$300,000 range annually.
The road is beautiful, treacherous, and full of twists and turns.
GoodK wrote:I read somewhere it was a multi-million dollar mansion, anyone know anyother details?? I also want to know about salary/stipend pay for General Authorities and any other indicators that the executives of the church have a compelling interest to keep attendance high.
Good God, GoodK! Do you really think the GAs take more than a negligible fraction of the church's billions of dollars? What evidence is there for that?? I have yet to see or hear any. Living in Salt Lake, you see GAs around sometimes, and they decidedly do not appear to me to be living high on the hog. I once saw James E. Faust leaving the grocery store in an ordinary car and while wearing ordinary clothes. Another GA, one of the 70, lived in our ward. He was reasonably well off, but clearly not living in luxury. And I'll never forget seeing Elder Hales, then the presiding bishop, at the $2.50 barber, where I'm sure all the important people went for hair care.
If you can see only self-serving reasons why the LDS leaders would continue in their positions, you need to look a little closer.
Don
Well, as a matter of fact, I was posting to see what kind of evidence there is for that.
And not really sure what your eyewitness accounts mean, they certainly don't indicate how much money they make... are you implying that a wealthy person must blow their money at Whole Food's or on visits to Jose Eber?
harmony wrote: You didn't ask Tori to verify her source, as if her ex- is more reliable than Crock grandfather. And you certainly didn't hound Infymus for his information, even though it was exactly the same as Jason's... an apartment building in downtown SLC. No verification there.
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While my Ex-husband is certainly a pain in the patoot, he actually is a pretty good source. He's a General Contractor and his jobs are specific to fancy finishwork. He has done many jobs for the Church and is very familiar with the way they do business. Among his projects...Eagle Gate Apartments, Beehive Clothing, Dallas Temple addition/remodel, Albuquerque Temple, and the biggee....The San Diego Temple. There have been other projects, just can't think of them off the top of my head right now.
Sorry that I won't post an In-Real-Life verifiable name on this particular discussion board, (for reasons many on here should be able to understand), but it is indeed true. My Ex use to joke that I should be exempt forever from paying tithing. While the San Diego Temple is indeed a beautiful showcase for his company's work, it nearly cost him his business. Many sub-contractor's lost money on that job and some were forced to go out of business. It was an absolute nightmare during the construction. Fortunately we had several other smaller jobs going at the same time where there was a profit.
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