GoodK wrote:I think posts like this perpetuate the use of the term Anti-Mormon with those that are outspoken with their criticism of Mormonism. I also think it crosses that delicate line between polemics and antagonism.
My post was antagonistic?
No, really?
I'll always cross the line with Mormonism and show it no respect. I don't give a damn about being called an anti, an apostate, and whatever other names that Mormon Cult members can come up with. Nothing within Mormonism is sacred to me and never will be - and I will expose every inch of it. If I can keep people from joining this all encompassing Cult then I have done my job.
I hear ya. I just don't think this sort of statement, as opposed to some of your others, does much to keep people from joining this cult. And I loathe the term anti-mormon... just as much as Mormons loathe the term cult. There are more classy ways to dispell silly religious dogmas - in my opinion.
Jason Bourne wrote:And you are in desperate need of help. Really. Your overly obsessive about the Church you now love to hate. GET HELP FAST!
But couldn't you just wave your magic priesthood and heal me? Just a little?
Do you have faith to be healed?
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Seriously, I doubt that very many priesthood holders really, totally believe in their hearts that they have that kind of power. I don't think I ever really believed it 100%, the stories and missionary legends notwithstanding (and that Primary song that said "I might be greater than a king, for I am a Mormon boy" -- wonder if they still sing that one).
I think I have that kind of power.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
GoodK wrote:I think posts like this perpetuate the use of the term Anti-Mormon with those that are outspoken with their criticism of Mormonism. I also think it crosses that delicate line between polemics and antagonism.
My post was antagonistic?
No, really?
I'll always cross the line with Mormonism and show it no respect. I don't give a damn about being called an anti, an apostate, and whatever other names that Mormon Cult members can come up with. Nothing within Mormonism is sacred to me and never will be - and I will expose every inch of it. If I can keep people from joining this all encompassing Cult then I have done my job.
It might be difficult to expose every inch of it when you know as little about it as you seem to.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Blixa wrote:I recently ran across an interesting incident of priesthood cursing in the Abraham H. Cannon diary where a combined group of Mormon leaders made an effort to have Robert N. Baskin made blind. (Baskin's career as a relentless foe of Utah theocracy began when his friend Dr. John King Robinson was murdered. He prosecuted John D. Lee and played a role in many of the trials associated with the violence of the Mormon reformation as well as being actively involved in anti-polygamy legislation. He later served as state supreme court chief justice and as mayor of SLC built the first modern water and sewage system, among other highlights of a long and interesting gentile life.)
23 December 1889, "this is the anniversary of the Prophet Joseph Smith's birthday and has been set apart as a day of fasting and prayer for all the Saints throughout the church...At 10 a.m. met at the Gardo House with Presidents Woodruff, Cannon and smith; Apostles John H. Smith, H.J. Grant and John W. Taylor; Counselors J.W. Young and D.H. Wells. All but the two latter dressed in their temple robes. We then kneeled down, and, commencing with Bro. Wells, each of us prayed until Pres. Woodruff had his turn. Bro. Jos. F. was strongest in his prayer and urged that Baskin should be made blind, deaf and dumb unless he would repent of his wickedness. In this prayer we all kneeled with our faces in."
Interestingly, Baskin was made blind. Blind to the truth. He was ejected from the John D. Lee prosecution for misconduct by Pres. Grant. He arguably participate in the forging of documents to make it appear that John D. Lee was willing to pin Brigham Young to the crime (well, his attorney at the time, another ejected prosecutor, was accused of doing it). As such, his blindness made him ineffective in his crusade against the Church.
Blixa wrote:I recently ran across an interesting incident of priesthood cursing in the Abraham H. Cannon diary where a combined group of Mormon leaders made an effort to have Robert N. Baskin made blind. (Baskin's career as a relentless foe of Utah theocracy began when his friend Dr. John King Robinson was murdered. He prosecuted John D. Lee and played a role in many of the trials associated with the violence of the Mormon reformation as well as being actively involved in anti-polygamy legislation. He later served as state supreme court chief justice and as mayor of SLC built the first modern water and sewage system, among other highlights of a long and interesting gentile life.)
23 December 1889, "this is the anniversary of the Prophet Joseph Smith's birthday and has been set apart as a day of fasting and prayer for all the Saints throughout the church...At 10 a.m. met at the Gardo House with Presidents Woodruff, Cannon and smith; Apostles John H. Smith, H.J. Grant and John W. Taylor; Counselors J.W. Young and D.H. Wells. All but the two latter dressed in their temple robes. We then kneeled down, and, commencing with Bro. Wells, each of us prayed until Pres. Woodruff had his turn. Bro. Jos. F. was strongest in his prayer and urged that Baskin should be made blind, deaf and dumb unless he would repent of his wickedness. In this prayer we all kneeled with our faces in."
...Interestingly, Baskin was made blind. Blind to the truth. He was ejected from the John D. Lee prosecution for misconduct by Pres. Grant. He arguably participate in the forging of documents to make it appear that John D. Lee was willing to pin Brigham Young to the crime (well, his attorney at the time, another ejected prosecutor, was accused of doing it). As such, his blindness made him ineffective in his crusade against the Church..
Then his "blindness" preceded the curse (the Lee trials are a decade prior to the events recorded in the Cannon diary) and seemed to have no effect on a rather illustrious career after. But I agree with you about his "ineffectivity." It was indeed sad that he was never able to bring Brigham Young to justice.
From the Ernest L. Wilkinson Diaries: "ELW dreams he's spattered w/ grease. Hundreds steal his greasy pants."
Infymus wrote: Don't you just wish all Ex-Mormons would just... Go away? Or as MAAD puts it... Shut up and sing?
I'll bet you still admit home teachers. I'll bet you haven't persuaded your own household to leave the Church. No? Please correct me if I am wrong.
Infymus, please clarify. Is your immediate family (spouse, kids) still active in the Church? I was under the impression that all of you had left the Church.