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[_beastie]

Zak,

I suppose if a future archaeologist happened to dig up the house of an individual from the twentieth century who had a ming dynasty vase in his/her house, they might ask the same question.

In other words, I already answered this above.

[_Zakuska]

Yes... I know you did... but... would you not agree that until the bones themselves are actually carbon dated the question still remains?

Until a carbon date is given for the bones... we don't know if these are actually bones that were being carried around as tropheys and hair brushes, and curiosities etc. or if the bones are actually contemporary with items around them. Where these horses killed and eaten? Where they being ridden?

[Tator]

I am positive carbon dating the horse bones will show a pre-extinction origin. There is enough body of material available regarding Mesoamerica during the Book of Mormon period that there is no chance - in my opinion - that evidence supporting the existence of the horse will EVER be found in that time period. There is no question in my mind regarding the issue. This is why every time when evidence is presented by apologists that seems to provide said evidence, further investigation always reveals something seriously problematic about the "evidence" - like the Wisconsin skull.

It's not unreasonable to investigate claims that wildly contradict the accepted wisdom of current experts. It is irresponsible to present these claims in a manner that vastly overstates their reliability and significance. FARMS overstates in this manner regularly.

by the way, New World pre-extinction horses were most likely simply eaten. For one thing, they are not of the same stature as today's horses.

[_beastie]

Another by the way - the fact that some of these horse remains were discovered in a cenote gives serious credence to the supposition that these were sacred, precious objects. Sacred, precious objects (sometimes including actual human sacrifice) are what were deposited in these cenotes for the gods.

[_truth dancer]

Hi Zak...

Until a carbon date is given for the bones... we don't know if these are actually bones that were being carried around as tropheys and hair brushes, and curiosities etc. or if the bones are actually contemporary with items around them. Where these horses killed and eaten? Where they being ridden?

It is sort of like this...

Say I find a dinosaur bone in my backyard. It doesn't take RC dating to know that dinosaurs did not live in the past century in my neighborhood. Nor does anyone suggest we rethink the date of dinosaur extinction. We can be quite certain that the dinosaur in question is more than 250 million years old.

There really is no mystery here.

8)

~dancer~

[_beastie]

another comment about the Ray/Mercer/Hatt evidence - as I read the article, the significance of this find is NOT that the authors are positing a late date for the equus occidentalis/conservidens, but rather that remains of this western, ancient horse has mostly been found in North America, in the west coast. So the emphasis is on the "new locality" of this horse - possibly the Yucatan.

[_CaliforniaKid]

Yes... I know you did... but... would you not agree that until the bones themselves are actually carbon dated the question still remains?

Until a carbon date is given for the bones... we don't know if these are actually bones that were being carried around as tropheys and hair brushes, and curiosities etc. or if the bones are actually contemporary with items around them. Where these horses killed and eaten? Where they being ridden?

If FARMS finds carbon dates that don't accord with the Book of Mormon, what will they do with that information? Sit on it and refuse to answer email queries?

Because if I'm not mistaken, they're already doing that.

[Guest]

Not sure callifornia kid. But what I can see is Beastie and TD... saying "The Thinking has been done." They'd rather assume things and not question previsouly held notions.

Until the Bones are carbon dated the question is still open. At least Farms is putting their money where their Keyboard is. Im about 99% possitive the reason the wisconson bones show up in that science now web site Beastie linked is because Farms made an inquiry into it. that's how the Horse skull that you are writing to the museum about finally got carbon dated. Because someone with a vested intrest in the question finally asked the right person. And came up with the financial backing to put the question to rest. See that's the difference I see with Farms scholarship and the critics Scholarship.... they have the financial backing to actually find the answers and not rely on assumptions etc.

[Guest]

Not sure callifornia kid. But what I can see is Beastie and TD... saying "The Thinking has been done." They'd rather assume things and not question previsouly held notions.

Until the Bones are carbon dated the question is still open. At least Farms is putting their money where their Keyboard is. I'm about 99% possitive the reason the wisconson bones show up in that science now web site Beastie linked is because Farms made an inquiry into it. that's how the Horse skull that you are writing to the museum about finally got carbon dated. Because someone with a vested intrest in the question finally asked the right person. See that's the difference I see with Farms scholarship and the critics Scholarship.... they have the financial backing to actually find the answers and not rely on assumptions etc.

Zakuska, why are you still interested in horses? I thought you'd decided that everyone needed to be looking for dogs?

I'm so confused!

[_beastie]

Yeah, the thinking has been done regarding the dinosaurs, too. It's only those brave few souls who insist that there's evidence humans and dinosaurs commingled... and they got the footprints to prove it!

Just how long have you been waiting for this information, zak? I've heard it talked about for YEARS on the internet. And still no sign of it. It's kind of like the second coming.