Some Schmo wrote:charity, I'm going to put this as nicely and gently as I can, because I've made a New Year's resolution to try to be nicer in the forums...
You're a moron. I'm amazed you have the brain power to turn on a computer without sacrificing whatever neurons are necessary to keeping your vital organs working. Unbelievable. If you really want people to believe in the church, I highly recommend you shut the f*** up.
That's all there really is to say about your comments in this thread.
I see something I said hit close to home.
And to think that some people here argue that you can't choose what you want to believe. HA! They clearly aren't thinking about you when they make that claim.
I really would like to know what it was that hit you so hard you have to strike out. Of course, maybe you don't even know. This seems to be a pattern of human behavior. It starts with little children who get frustrated when they can't express themselves verbally and then they kick and bite.
charity wrote:I really would like to know what it was that hit you so hard you have to strike out. Of course, maybe you don't even know. This seems to be a pattern of human behavior. It starts with little children who get frustrated when they can't express themselves verbally and then they kick and bite.
You think I'm having trouble expressing myself? Have I been ambiguous about something?
I would like to know what hit you so hard that your reading comprehension has suffered. I have been very clear what my issues with the church are (and just wrote about it in another thread in which I've seen you participating). It's not my fault you fail to understand, although I'm not so sure that's the core issue. Willful ignorance seems to be more your style.
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
Jason Bourne wrote:I find it interesting when I listen to money and get out of debt counselors that they encourage tithing as partof the budgeting and money management principles. One such famous person strongly recommends it and he is not LDS though he is Christian.
Jason, do you have more details about this? I've never heard that, and it's difficult to imagine a debt counselor suggesting giving money away as part of a plan to get out of debt.
Yeah, I've heard him on the radio. From what I can see on his site, he does emphasize giving and tithing, but for the most part it's after getting out of debt. He lists "Build wealth and give" as the final step in his plan, which is great advice.
From his site:
However, when you are on the earlier Baby Steps and just getting your budget established, money to give may seem hard to come by. That is why you should find creative ways to give. You can give of your time, your knowledge or your services to help other people.
Also good advice. I don't think it would be very responsible to advise people who are in debt to give away money that ought to be dedicated to getting them solvent. At the same time, I realize you can't tell people not to pay tithing if they think their eternal salvation hinges on it.
truth dancer wrote: You can distort pretty much anything can't you. :(
What was distorted? Please list.
truth dancer wrote:
Aren't you glad you don't have live any kind of life you don't want to in the afterlife. You don't want to be a wife and mother, you don't have to be. I do. What a neat plan. We both get what we want.
Bold mine.
Newsflash... I already am a wife and mother.
But that ends when you die. Unless there are sealings in force. That's in the New Testament.
Actually, you were right with just the "ends when you die" paft.
In Matthew 22, Jesus said:
"23That same day the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to him with a question. 24"Teacher," they said, "Moses told us that if a man dies without having children, his brother must marry the widow and have children for him. 25Now there were seven brothers among us. The first one married and died, and since he had no children, he left his wife to his brother. 26The same thing happened to the second and third brother, right on down to the seventh. 27Finally, the woman died. 28Now then, at the resurrection, whose wife will she be of the seven, since all of them were married to her?"
29Jesus replied, "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. 31But about the resurrection of the dead—have you not read what God said to you, 32'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'[a]? He is not the God of the dead but of the living."
"What does God need with a starship?" - Captain James T. Kirk
Most people would like to be delivered from temptation but would like it to keep in touch. - Robert Orben
The Bishop knew this and told him he had to at least pay a years worth of back tithing before he would renew the recommend. This came to roughly $4000.
Did anyone here catch this horse nugget? I've lapsed on tithing a number of times during my life, and all that was ever required was that I start anew and maintain obedience to that commandment for some specific time period.
Where do these exmos get these wonderful stories?
The face of sin today often wears the mask of tolerance.
My parents, well into their retirement, in their seventies, still have many years of a house mortgage ahead of them. They kept borrowing on the house. But they always paid their tithing.
Would the tithing differential have prevented them borrowing on their house. I don't think so. Most the time it is not tithing but overspending. If one is going to get out of debt and stay out of debt they have to change their habits, their habits and live by a budget. IT is pretty clear that most in the USA do not tithe yet many have money problems. Too bad they cannot blame it on tithing.
I agree with this. For most middle class, money problems aren't caused by paying tithing. It is caused by poor budgeting and excessive spending.
If the prophet were to announce today that tithing is no longer required, the credit lines at Best Buy would be out the door (well, in Utah anyways) with people who suddenly have an extra 10% to spend on that 56" flat screen. Very few would put that additional 10% into their savings or IRA.
If there's one thing I've learned from this board, it's that consensual sex with multiple partners is okay unless God commands it. - Abman
I find this place to be hostile toward all brands of stupidity. That's why I like it. - Some Schmo
The Bishop knew this and told him he had to at least pay a years worth of back tithing before he would renew the recommend. This came to roughly $4000.
Did anyone here catch this horse nugget? I've lapsed on tithing a number of times during my life, and all that was ever required was that I start anew and maintain obedience to that commandment for some specific time period.
Where do these exmos get these wonderful stories?
Yes, Jason mentioned this earlier in the thread as well. When we lapsed on our tithing, it was the same. We were counseled to pay tithing for 3 months, and then we would be able to receive our temple recommends again. If this story is true, the bishop screwed up.
Frankly, a lot of things about the story sounds like the bishop's spiritual discernment was out to lunch.
Edited to add---But, Coggins, why are you automatically assuming that the story is not true? Church leaders in charge make mistakes all the time. The story certainly could be true.
The Bishop knew this and told him he had to at least pay a years worth of back tithing before he would renew the recommend. This came to roughly $4000.
Did anyone here catch this horse nugget? I've lapsed on tithing a number of times during my life, and all that was ever required was that I start anew and maintain obedience to that commandment for some specific time period.
Where do these exmos get these wonderful stories?
I missed tithing for a little while before my mission. My bishop made me repay what I missed (about 3 months worth) before he'd sign off on my papers.
WK: "Joseph Smith asserted that the Book of Mormon peoples were the original inhabitants of the americas"
Will Schryver: "No, he didn’t." 3/19/08
Still waiting for Will to back this up...
EITHER pay the back tithing and become temple worthy now, OR start paying and become temple worthy in 3/6/12 months. Bishops aren't horse whipping members into paying back tithing. In most cases, it is a choice they make for the immediacy of the TR.
Some choose to pay the back tithing for the immediate TR. Others, such as myself, chose to just start paying and wait the allotted time.
If there's one thing I've learned from this board, it's that consensual sex with multiple partners is okay unless God commands it. - Abman
I find this place to be hostile toward all brands of stupidity. That's why I like it. - Some Schmo