End goal?

[_Sethbag]

Would you think more or less of me if I cursed him through this board and he was dead tomorrow?

I would certainly feel bad if he died. I rather doubt that would happen though. I think you'd curse him and nothing at all would happen. Infymus would crow about it, and perhaps some TBMs would speculate that nothing happened because it wasn't God's will, or that you "tempted" God by unrighteously cursing Infymus as a way of gratifying his "sign seeking", or that maybe you didn't do it right, or maybe the GAs have to authorize a cursing and lay members like you and me don't have the authority to just do it on our own, etc.

[Guest]

Wrong. I considered carefully what you said. I did study philsophy at one time. What I see in your post is the common human hubris. "The way I see things is the only possible way, and if only everyone were as enlightened and smart as I am, they would see it, too."

And by the way, I don't believe that everyone will see the Church as I see it. If we were all to see it the same way there would have been no purpose in mortal existence, beyond gaining a physical body.

Wrong. Behold the buffalo chips in your own ocular cavities. The only one exhibiting inhuman amounts of human hubris is you. Most people here have simply chosen not to believe as you do and want to discuss why that is. You on the other hand believe that you are right and that you should show people why their thought processes are probably, maybe, likely, plausibly, not inconsistently unproven to be, untrue.

You use doubt to shore up faith. Go for it. I use doubt to doubt things and thereby help myself to see better things. I don't criticize those who want to believe things because they want to. I criticize those who believe things and who demonstrate that they also believe that other people should believe as they do. You are the willing participant in a control gambit by one passe meme. I'm glad you enjoy your life and I'm glad you come hear, naked as your are, confirming the debilitating effects of the malicious brain virus that is Mormonism and all belief systems that are akin to it.

[_The Nehor]

Would you think more or less of me if I cursed him through this board and he was dead tomorrow?

I would certainly feel bad if he died. I rather doubt that would happen though. I think you'd curse him and nothing at all would happen. Infymus would crow about it, and perhaps some TBMs would speculate that nothing happened because it wasn't God's will, or that you "tempted" God by unrighteously cursing Infymus as a way of gratifying his "sign seeking", or that maybe you didn't do it right, or maybe the GAs have to authorize a cursing and lay members like you and me don't have the authority to just do it on our own, etc.

I'm not going to but if I did I wouldn't tell anyone and I wouldn't claim any sort of credit after the fact either.

[_amantha]

I wasn't asking you what I think. I was asking you what you think (which explains my use of the word "you" rather than "I" in the question I asked you).

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Did you, in your initial question about stereotyping, imply that stereotyping is an inappropriate use of anger?

[Guest]

Someone asked me where I was from. I do not want to get too personal, but I am from the east coast.

I think the whole point is that some people will say that the Mormon church is full of people who lie so they can create an impression of someone who(m?) they are not . Is everything you have written true and accurate?

[_asbestosman]

I'm not going to but if I did I wouldn't tell anyone and I wouldn't claim any sort of credit after the fact either.

If nobody knew it was a curse from God, then what would be the point? I don't see how God would do it as it wouldn't help anyone's eternal salvation. Am I wrong?

[_wenglund]

This is one of the big fallacies of the anti-Mormon and ex-mormon rationalization. That if only Person X could think clealry and not be "shackled" with "indoctrination" from their childhood, then they could be"enlightened" like we are. I am living proof that intelligent people can come to the LDS faith with no early teaching, can study and learn and actively CHOSE it.

And yet another strawman, charity. I'm really disappointed in you. I think most of us here would agree that intelligent people can study and learn and actively choose to believe in Mormonism. Where we disagree is in the idea that those of us who choose not to believe are somehow deceived, stupid, or evil.

Are you also disappointed in Sethbag and his similar caricatures of those who choose to believe? I am.

I happen to believe that pejoritive stereotyping of opposing views is counterproductive, particularly within inter-faith dialogue, regardless of who is doing it.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_charity]

I wonder what Satan would think of an angry LDS (Charity) calling women "sluts", and women that are abused "weak" and "dumb"... I mean, that's not angry, or devilish, eh?

That is a bald faced lie. I never called women "sluts."

And yes, there are women who chose their own interests over their children. A strong woman would put her children first. So yes, they are weak. Protecting children is what women do. Who do you think enjoys seeing children abused? Satan.

I think there is plenty of anger on this site. Dogdude, you want to see a bunch of angry folks on a bulletin board that are active take a looksie at the MAD board.

And when there are some who display that anger, what do you think made them angry? People lying about them, their leaders, their church. People mocking their deeply held religious beliefs.

Charity, I am sooo sick of your self righteous patting yourself on the back. Your behavior has been despicable! You are cruel, hateful, and intolerant! Trying to put yourself into some elevated moral position in this thread sickens me! YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN THE ANGRY EX-MOS YOU CRITICIZE! Look in the mirror!

Get a grip, girl. Rock throwing is not very attractive. Your characterization is incorrect. If you can document one instance where I was cruel, hateful, intolerant, give it a go. You know how to do the quotes. And in spite of your vitriol, I am not angry with you. You are probably just having a bad day.

[_amantha]

This is one of the big fallacies of the anti-Mormon and ex-mormon rationalization. That if only Person X could think clealry and not be "shackled" with "indoctrination" from their childhood, then they could be"enlightened" like we are. I am living proof that intelligent people can come to the LDS faith with no early teaching, can study and learn and actively CHOSE it.

And yet another strawman, charity. I'm really disappointed in you. I think most of us here would agree that intelligent people can study and learn and actively choose to believe in Mormonism. Where we disagree is in the idea that those of us who choose not to believe are somehow deceived, stupid, or evil.

Are you also disappointed in Sethbag and his similar caricatures of those who choose to believe? I am.

I happen to believe that pejoritive stereotyping of opposing views is counterproductive, particularly within inter-faith dialogue, regardless of who is doing it.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

How dare you stereotype this place as "inter-faith" dialogue. I have always viewed this place as a place for "extra-faith" dialogue and I am insulted by your stereotyping.

[_asbestosman]

Is everything you have written is true and accurate.

I think everyone should lie about their personal information over the internet. Simple internet safety. I never give out my real birthday online. It's always off by several days. I also lie about the number of siblings, children, etc. all in the name of online safety. So long as the misleading information is irrelavent to any points I make, I think it's a good practice. I highly recommend it. I consider it to be in the category of white lies we are expected to tell (like the meal was delicious or maybe "interesting" or "new" when you can't stand it).