beastie wrote:I've skipped some posts so forgive me if this has been answered.
What is the name of the individual who was appointed to the position Quinn was rejected for, and what is his/her resume and body of work?
Huh? I'm just operating off a statement made in the Wall Street Journal by the Dean of Humanities at the U of U. My position in this thread is to ascertain whether you and the other anti-Mormons on this board with pretensions to academia agree with Dr. Newman or not regarding his statement about Dr. Quinn.
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DonBradley wrote:I would love to see documentation that Mormon authors have been paying to be published by the University of Illinois.
I provided that in a post above. A very specific example.
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Could you point me to this? I can't find it.
It's difficult to see how impoverished Mike Quinn could have paid the University of Illinois Press to publish his book after a decade without a professorial position, but so far I haven't seen evidence that the press operates on this basis at all.
DonBradley wrote:I would love to see documentation that Mormon authors have been paying to be published by the University of Illinois.
I provided that in a post above. A very specific example.
Could you point me to this? I can't find it.
It's difficult to see how impoverished Mike Quinn could have paid the University of Illinois Press to publish his book after a decade without a professorial position, but so far I haven't seen evidence that the press operates on this basis at all.
Don
Ron Walker's very good book about the Godbe faction, Wayward Saints, is an example.
First, You provided this information above? Where??
Second, how do you know Walker paid to have it published?
Third, if this is correct, which you've not shown, only asserted, oes the press publish works that don't meet their academic standards for payment? Or do so-called 'vanity' works also have to meet their academic standards?
Fourth, what relevance would it have to Quinn's work if they did publish 'vanity' books? It would have none unless Quinn's book itself were one of those vanity books and didn't have to meet the same standards as others.
Obviously, I should be gone from this discussion, as I've said I would be.
It is clear and has been all along that D. Michael Quinn is a historian of high academic credibility. One doesn't get fellowships and awards from a long string of prestigious academic institutions without being, oneself, a prestigious academic.
Publication of this book was supported by grants from the Charles Redd Center for Western History, the Brigham Young University Religious Studies Center, and the Joseph Fielding Smith Institute for Church History.
(C) 1998 by the Board of Trustees of the University of Illinois
This is your idea of an academic press publishing personally-funded "vanity" publications that don't meet their academic standards? A book you admit to be excellent and that garners high praise from your (much) betters--the academics Jan Shipps and Klaus Hansen, the publication of which is "supported by grants" from academic institutions, and which the University of Illinois Board of Trustees takes responsibility for both by publishing it and by securing the copyright in their, not Walker's, name?
Bob, when I say what a tendentious clown you are, it's not an insult. It's an accurate observation, and a warning to anyone who might hope to have a real discussion with you.
I'm amazed just how many LDS apologists are attorneys.
They're not interested in truth. They're only interested in what kind of truth they're able to create with the cards they're dealt. It is all a game to them. People like Bob find a sense of success only when they focus on those who don't have the background knowledge to challenge them. Then they start treating the discussion like a court case, completely obliviious it seems, to the fact that the jury rejected their nonsense long ago.
“All knowledge of reality starts from experience and ends in it...Propositions arrived at by purely logical means are completely empty as regards reality." - Albert Einstein
Huh? I'm just operating off a statement made in the Wall Street Journal by the Dean of Humanities at the U of U. My position in this thread is to ascertain whether you and the other anti-Mormons on this board with pretensions to academia agree with Dr. Newman or not regarding his statement about Dr. Quinn.
Are you incapable of recognizing why this information is pertinent?
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.
Insult away, you two. Insults directed to my occupation really should play no role in the analysis here. The rather tired claim that lawyers aren't really interested in the truth as persons is really sophomoric and beneath you.
A vanity publisher is one who is paid to publish. Academic publishers are not immune. Some will not publish without financial guarantees. But, that means that some of these works would not attract the attention of U of I without money. It is a simple fact. Without money Walker's book would not have been published.
I'm not really saying that is how Same Sex Dynamics was published; I don't have the book. Please, somebody who has it, could they examine the flyleaf and tell me if there is a similar statement on it to Walker's book.
Even so, Same Sex Dynamics is not a book about Mormon history. Quinn has limited credentials.
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"Robert Newman, dean of humanities at Utah, says the history department decided against hiring Mr. Quinn because his research presentation wasn't strong enough and most of his books weren't published by university presses."
ONCE AGAIN--Robert Newman, the guy who turned down Quinn for the U of U position, is an active Mormon, right?
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"
"Robert Newman, dean of humanities at Utah, says the history department decided against hiring Mr. Quinn because his research presentation wasn't strong enough and most of his books weren't published by university presses."
ONCE AGAIN--Robert Newman, the guy who turned down Quinn for the U of U position, is an active Mormon, right?
I have no clue. That might make a difference to me in my analysis.
His resume is at http://hum.utah.edu/display.php?module= ... &orgId=294 and he doesn't (nor need he) show or claim any church affiliation. Note his credentials in his field and compare them to Dr. Quinn's. A broadly-based pedagogical education. Which Dr. Quinn lacks. Again, however, I respect Dr. Quinn's work, I cite it and reference it often. But he isn't what Bradley claims. He's a poster child for the anti-Mormon intelligensia -- a poor one at that.