LDS Cult Tithing Horror Stories

[_truth dancer]

Actually, I am a vegetarian and do think eating meat is disgusting. I’m pretty sure I would be quite ill if I ate meat at this point in my life… if I could even get meat in my mouth.

Oh my, how morally superior you are...

Why do you think that I would feel morally superior because I do not like to eat meat? Is there something wrong with doing what one feels is right for them? Good for their body? healthy for their life? I make no assumption or assertion about what others should or should not eat, nor do I claim my food choices have anything to do with morality. I think the morality of food choices is pretty much limited to LDS and a few other religions. Food choices are not a moral issue in my world view.

I just suggest that this may be the case. And as you said, our limited human minds cannot possibly comprehend the mysteries of the universe. ]

In that case, how do you know the LDS "version" is not the correct one?

I've said over and over and over that it just may be. I certainly HOPE not, and I do not think it is even remotely likely but again, (for like the hundreth time), I have no idea nor does anyone else.

Let me try once again. I have repeatedly stated that I do not know what is the next life and I do not think humans can even imagine let alone grasp the totality of eternity or existence. I am totally open to whatever may happen… any one of the thousands of versions of the afterlife may actually be the true one but I highly doubt it.

Then how do you know the LDS version is not the correct one?

See above.

Regardless of this…. I do not see why it is a good or healthy thing to hold to the idea, or have faith in the idea that what we hold as good and holy will actually be horrible in the next life, OR that what we find unhealthy or horrible in this life will actually be great and wonderful.

For the simple reason, TD, that what we consider good or noble in this life, may in point of fact, be evil. How do you discern which is which?

EXACTLY my point. The best we can do is search our hearts, listen to our conscience, search for goodness. I see humankind doing this and finding their way the best we can. What I know does not work FOR ME, is to try to make myself believe that what seems good and true and right, is really wrong, and conversely, what seems horrible is good. This is not a healthy way for ME to live.

I've said over and over that I do not claim to know what is right or true... what I have learned to do is do the best I can and listen to my heart and mind. I'm doing the best I can, just like most of humankind.


Typical liberal; take the moral hight ground when none in fact exists. Makes you feel morally superior to Charity even as you lose the argument doesn't it?

No moral high ground here. I do not at all feel morally superior to Charity or anyone else. Not at all.

~dancer~

[_Yoda]

So, if I understand "Racer" correctly, he has decided to take the remarkably loving, movingly self-sacrificing, and inspiring personal choices of his father, and use them to spitefull beat his father's beloved church over the head with.

If so, then how could this not make "Racer's" father feel the deepest sense of pride for his son?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

I don't read it this way. I think that Racer DOES view his father's actions as loving and self-sacrificing. I don't see him as spiteful toward the Church. His post sounds more like he is generally hurt that his father was treated by the Church in that manner.

[_wenglund]

So, if I understand "Racer" correctly, he has decided to take the remarkably loving, movingly self-sacrificing, and inspiring personal choices of his father, and use them to spitefull beat his father's beloved church over the head with.

If so, then how could this not make "Racer's" father feel the deepest sense of pride for his son?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

I don't read it this way. I think that Racer DOES view his father's actions as loving and self-sacrificing. I don't see him as spiteful toward the Church. His post sounds more like he is generally hurt that his father was treated by the Church in that manner.

I, too, think Racer views his father's actions as loving and self-sacrificing. So we at least agree on that.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_Yoda]

So, if I understand "Racer" correctly, he has decided to take the remarkably loving, movingly self-sacrificing, and inspiring personal choices of his father, and use them to spitefull beat his father's beloved church over the head with.

If so, then how could this not make "Racer's" father feel the deepest sense of pride for his son?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

I don't read it this way. I think that Racer DOES view his father's actions as loving and self-sacrificing. I don't see him as spiteful toward the Church. His post sounds more like he is generally hurt that his father was treated by the Church in that manner.

I, too, think Racer views his father's actions as loving and self-sacrificing. So we at least agree on that.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Nice to know we agree on something. LOL

I guess our disagreement comes in the way we're reading the "tone" of the story. When I read the story, I got the impression that Racer was more hurt than angry. Your impression seemed to be that he was spitefully trying to down the Church with this example. In other words, it seemed like your take on the situation was that Racer's goal was to discredit the Church. I just didn't read into it that way. It seemed to me like he was genuinely hurt that a Church he had grown up in and developed a trust in, had treated his father, who he viewed as being loving and self-sacrificing, so shoddy.

Of course, I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt. That's probably naïve, but since I'm 43, I doubt this outlook will change. ;)