charity wrote:Too bad those cult indoctrinaires don't start earlier in Primary.
Earlier than what, three years old? That's not early enough for you?
I was started much younger. A few of my lullabies were hymns and my earliest memory is either a lesson in Nursery or my Q-Bert coloring book or when I almost drowned. Not sure of the order.
I sang "Take me out to the ballgame" to my second-born as soon as she emerged from the womb, hoping to indoctrinate her with a love of baseball.
I may be going to hell in a bucket, babe / But at least I'm enjoying the ride.
-Grateful Dead (lyrics by John Perry Barlow)
charity wrote:Too bad those cult indoctrinaires don't start earlier in Primary.
Earlier than what, three years old? That's not early enough for you?
I was started much younger. A few of my lullabies were hymns and my earliest memory is either a lesson in Nursery or my Q-Bert coloring book or when I almost drowned. Not sure of the order.
I sang "Take me out to the ballgame" to my second-born as soon as she emerged from the womb, hoping to indoctrinate her with a love of baseball.
Skippy, I just developed a new kinship with you. LONG LIVE BASEBALL!!!
If there's one thing I've learned from this board, it's that consensual sex with multiple partners is okay unless God commands it. - Abman
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charity wrote:Too bad those cult indoctrinaires don't start earlier in Primary.
Earlier than what, three years old? That's not early enough for you?
I was started much younger. A few of my lullabies were hymns and my earliest memory is either a lesson in Nursery or my Q-Bert coloring book or when I almost drowned. Not sure of the order.
I sang "Take me out to the ballgame" to my second-born as soon as she emerged from the womb, hoping to indoctrinate her with a love of baseball.
Skippy, I just developed a new kinship with you. LONG LIVE BASEBALL!!!
Ain't nuthin' finer!
I may be going to hell in a bucket, babe / But at least I'm enjoying the ride.
-Grateful Dead (lyrics by John Perry Barlow)
How long were you under? That explains soooo much... :)
Not long actually. It seemed like an eternity to me then but I'm pretty sure it was 5-10 seconds and I was just terrified. If I'd known to hold my breath I wouldn't have had to cough up so much water when I was pulled out.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
charity wrote:Too bad those cult indoctrinaires don't start earlier in Primary.
Oh, but they do...
Follow the prophet, follow the prophet, follow the prophet. He knows the way!
(Again with the "know"...)
I hope they call me on mission...
At least they got this one right...
Book of Mormon stories that my teacher tells to me
The oddest thing about Testimony meetings is when a nine year old kid gets up there and says "I know the church is true... I know Joseph Smith was a true prophet..."
And parents sit there proud and smile (or sometimes they go up there and whisper in their ears feeding them the lines... anyone ever see that?) all the while thinking it is cute to mentally abuse their children...
I imagine there may be a bit of shock value and propaganda mileage derived by some people when using sensationalistic words like "abuse" in relation to even perfectly innocent and even edifying cases like children's testimonies. But, I personally have thought it prudent to restrict usage of such words to clearly severe and negative cases, so as not to trivialize the term or the severe and negative cases. But, that may just be because I don't wish to come across to reasonably minded people as shrill and incredulous.
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
Interesting word choice here, propaganda and shock value... I wonder what made you go with those...
It is more than incredulous to imply that the indoctrination of children - i.e encouraging them to say that they know the church is true when clearly they don't - is innocent by any stretch of the imagination.
I wanted to call it brainwashing, but thought I might sound shrill and incredulous, so I went with the least offensive adjective that reasonably minded people would identify with.
charity wrote:Too bad those cult indoctrinaires don't start earlier in Primary.
Oh, but they do...
Follow the prophet, follow the prophet, follow the prophet. He knows the way!
(Again with the "know"...)
I hope they call me on mission...
At least they got this one right...
Book of Mormon stories that my teacher tells to me
The oddest thing about Testimony meetings is when a nine year old kid gets up there and says "I know the church is true... I know Joseph Smith was a true prophet..."
And parents sit there proud and smile (or sometimes they go up there and whisper in their ears feeding them the lines... anyone ever see that?) all the while thinking it is cute to mentally abuse their children...
I imagine there may be a bit of shock value and propaganda mileage derived by some people when using sensationalistic words like "abuse" in relation to even perfectly innocent and even edifying cases like children's testimonies. But, I personally have thought it prudent to restrict usage of such words to clearly severe and negative cases, so as not to trivialize the term or the severe and negative cases. But, that may just be because I don't wish to come across to reasonably minded people as shrill and incredulous.
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
Interesting word choice here, propaganda and shock value... I wonder what made you go with those...
It is more than incredulous to imply that the indoctrination of children - I.e encouraging them to say that they know the church is true when clearly they don't - is innocent by any stretch of the imagination.
I wanted to call it brainwashing, but thought I might sound shrill and incredulous, so I went with the least offensive adjective that reasonably minded people would identify with.
Well, far be it for anyone on a bb to call a spade a spade.
“Brainwashing” is the right term when adults talk religious propaganda to children from cradle up. And we see the effects of it here on this bb.
GoodK wrote:Interesting word choice here, propaganda and shock value... I wonder what made you go with those...
It is more than incredulous to imply that the indoctrination of children - I.e encouraging them to say that they know the church is true when clearly they don't - is innocent by any stretch of the imagination.
I wanted to call it brainwashing, but thought I might sound shrill and incredulous, so I went with the least offensive adjective that reasonably minded people would identify with.
Let's test your sense of what reasonable minded people may identify with, and have you and JAK call 911 next fast Sunday and report the "mental abuse" and "brainwashing" allegedly going on in your local Ward. What do you say?
In the third grade (1969) our class sang the star spangle banner - america the beautiful and my country tis of thee - (then we would polish our boots - just kidding on the boots)
GoodK wrote:Interesting word choice here, propaganda and shock value... I wonder what made you go with those...
It is more than incredulous to imply that the indoctrination of children - I.e encouraging them to say that they know the church is true when clearly they don't - is innocent by any stretch of the imagination.
I wanted to call it brainwashing, but thought I might sound shrill and incredulous, so I went with the least offensive adjective that reasonably minded people would identify with.
Let's test your sense of what reasonable minded people may identify with, and have you and JAK call 911 next fast Sunday and report the "mental abuse" and "brainwashing" allegedly going on in your local Ward. What do you say?
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
emotional abuse is jurisidictional in California Juvenile Court -